Zwift Chat

[steverob]

There are 4 in CC team, plus Paul and Brendan (both in B). I assume Steen will join too. No Tim today with me in C and no Steve yet, so I can see the Irish chaps giving me a kicking

Can't make it tonight, been called into the office, which means I don't get home until 8pm.

 

[IrishAl]

I strongly suspect either of those two options is doomed for failure as far as I'm concerned!

Says the guy who kicked cat A ass a week ago. 😀

Tactics for tonight are an interesting one. It is quite romantic to think that one might score a breakaway win, but this is Zwift, the blob dominates, and any rider who can chase, will chase, and brings the rest with them.

my head always tells me to sit in, be attentive near but not on the front, and wait until the sprint to unfold. Waiting is always a gamble just as it is for any sprinter in real life. So if you see me on the attack then I’ve taken the head staggers and thrown caution to the wind.

looking at the Cat B sign ups, I’m way out in front in terms of highest race ranking, so nothing for me to gain tonight in that regard, other than having a big target on my back. However with all the points available on the finish line and no sign of the leader then tonight does present an opportunity to get good points.

 

[Brusgaard]

There are 4 in CC team, plus Paul and Brendan (both in B). I assume Steen will join too. No Tim today with me in C and no Steve yet, so I can see the Irish chaps giving me a kicking

Don't count on me. I did 10 laps of Champs yesterday (67km), and not sure I want to do another 4+1 tonight.

Thinking of doing the Off the MAAP at 6 PM UK instead, but that is the "Three Sisters" route for the longer ride and Royal Pump Room 8 for the race. Too much climbing in both! Might go outside, take a rest day or do the IRL race. Time will tell...

 

[bridgy]

Says the guy who kicked cat A ass a week ago. 😀

Tactics for tonight are an interesting one. It is quite romantic to think that one might score a breakaway win, but this is Zwift, the blob dominates, and any rider who can chase, will chase, and brings the rest with them.

my head always tells me to sit in, be attentive near but not on the front, and wait until the sprint to unfold. Waiting is always a gamble just as it is for any sprinter in real life. So if you see me on the attack then I’ve taken the head staggers and thrown caution to the wind.

looking at the Cat B sign ups, I’m way out in front in terms of highest race ranking, so nothing for me to gain tonight in that regard, other than having a big target on my back. However with all the points available on the finish line and no sign of the leader then tonight does present an opportunity to get good points.

Ah, but you Cat A guys were all looking at each other and let me sneak off for some reason - can't see that happening in a bigger race!

I'm nowhere in terms of overall points so if you want me to do anything to help you in any way then let me know and I'll do my best!

 

[IrishAl]

Did you find any advantages of updating the firmware? Any specific fixes?

Apparently 0.0.34 “fixed linearity issues”
see detail TacxFAQ site here.

the site reports that even after this update that the assioma reported higher power output at certain resistances in the neo2. Graph shows neo2 set to control it’s power at 100w. Cadence maintained at 90rpm, and cycling through gears from 28 to 11. The difference was exacerbated in the big ring (2nd half of test). Whilst I accept drivetrain losses do account for power loss i dont think that the difference is 5+ %

 

[IrishAl]

Ah, but you Cat A guys were all looking at each other and let me sneak off for some reason - can't see that happening in a bigger race!

I'm nowhere in terms of overall points so if you want me to do anything to help you in any way then let me know and I'll do my best!

Lol. I was too busy chewing the handlebars trying to hold on for the finish. As for tonight I’m happy to let you go if you want to go early like last week, or your welcome to my wheel if you want to hold out for a bit longer for a full on sprint. I usually unleash the beast so to speak with around 400m to go 🤣

 

[Whorty]

Don't count on me. I did 10 laps of Champs yesterday (67km), and not sure I want to do another 4+1 tonight.

Thinking of doing the Off the MAAP at 6 PM UK instead, but that is the "Three Sisters" route for the longer ride and Royal Pump Room 8 for the race. Too much climbing in both! Might go outside, take a rest day or do the IRL race. Time will tell...

10 laps does sound extreme But, on the positive side, you know the course well now

 

[Whorty]

Apparently 0.0.34 “fixed linearity issues”
see detail TacxFAQ site here.

the site reports that even after this update that the assioma reported higher power output at certain resistances in the neo2. Graph shows neo2 set to control it’s power at 100w. Cadence maintained at 90rpm, and cycling through gears from 28 to 11. The difference was exacerbated in the big ring (2nd half of test). Whilst I accept drivetrain losses do account for power loss i dont think that the difference is 5+ %
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Interesting note by the author in the comments section

That aside, Neo 2 definitely has a storied history of under reporting, such that Tacx requested multiple units to be returned to Netherlands for recalibration.

He says the NEO1 and NEO2T are much more accurate than the NEO2 which has under reported power so much so that Tacx had a recall. Seems all those on NEO1, NEO2T or NEO bikes have an advantage over use NEO2 users

 

[bridgy]

Interesting note by the author in the comments section

He says the NEO1 and NEO2T are much more accurate than the NEO2 which has under reported power so much so that Tacx had a recall. Seems all those on NEO1, NEO2T or NEO bikes have an advantage over use NEO2 users

Have you tried cleaning your chain

I'm not actually sure if you're totally serious or not?! But just to say I interpreted what was written as more individual Neo 2 units had problems with accuracy, not that EVERY Neo 2 under reports watts compared to other Neo models. In fact the context of the quote you mention is the author doubting someone who claims their Neo 2 is under reporting watts (says its more likely drivetrain losses) so clearly he can't think they're ALL dodgy

 

[Whorty]

Have you tried cleaning your chain

I'm not actually sure if you're totally serious or not?! But just to say I interpreted what was written as more individual Neo 2 units had problems with accuracy, not that EVERY Neo 2 under reports watts compared to other Neo models. In fact the context of the quote you mention is the author doubting someone who claims their Neo 2 is under reporting watts (says its more likely drivetrain losses) so clearly he can't think they're ALL dodgy

No, I wasn't being serious I was very select in my quote and excluded some of the quote on purpose

What I do find strange (interesting?) is that most people seem to agree that there is a drive train loss, and trainers like the NEO will report 'after' this loss, whereas pedal and cranks report 'before' the loss and yet almost daily on Facebook etc someone posts up a graph showing their NEO (whichever flavour) reporting lower watts than pedals

Maybe I'm missing something glaringly obvious, but surely by now we always expect the pedals to be higher than a trainer? So long as the trainer is consistent though does it really make any difference?

 

[<Tommy>]

Apparently 0.0.34 “fixed linearity issues”
see detail TacxFAQ site here.

the site reports that even after this update that the assioma reported higher power output at certain resistances in the neo2. Graph shows neo2 set to control it’s power at 100w. Cadence maintained at 90rpm, and cycling through gears from 28 to 11. The difference was exacerbated in the big ring (2nd half of test). Whilst I accept drivetrain losses do account for power loss i dont think that the difference is 5+ %
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Al the neo definitely underreports power. I’ve seen loads of cases of people either moving to the neo, or moving away from the neo, and showing graphs very similar to yours to draw conclusion.

To be honest it actually made me consider getting dual power pedals for a while. That and the fact power meters seem to react quicker than the neo. I think single power is another minefield... at least for people like me who consistently show 56-44 power balance. But in the end knowing that you, bridgy etc are on neo it’s been quite easy for me to make peace with.

 

[bobinski]

I really must swap my Assioma’s onto the NEO bike...

 

[Brendan Parker]

Those riding tonight in IRL. Remember turn volume down. Cobbles annoying as

 

[bridgy]

Sorry @IrishAl I'm not going to be able to make tonight's race now unfortunately - good luck all

 

[Spartak]

That was a rush.... Bloody traffic, banana & fig rolls for tea in the car