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<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
I prepared last year solely on the turbo doing zone 2 multi hour sessions for Tenerife. I was saddle fit and pleasantly surprised how comfortable the effort was for the week. I quickly settled into bike handling.

I do understand the quote above, but I have the ability to zone out and distraction of my garden to keep me from going crazy:okay:

Put it this way. If you took two people of equal athletic ability. One of them trained only on a turbo and the other put the miles in outside and did intervals etc on the turbo. I know which one I’d back come the summer. That’s the reason bike teams chase the sun during the winter. There’s just no substitute.
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
Regarding zwift power results...

something that came up the other day that hadn’t occurred to me before. Zp doesn’t just eliminate the ‘sandbaggers’. It also eliminates everyone who isn’t signed up to zwiftpower who’s results are legitimate. So it’s kind of skewed and imperfect to say the least. It’s a shame zwift as a company seem to have so little interest in fixing this stuff.
 
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CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
Regarding zwift power results...

something that came up the other day that hadn’t occurred to me before. Zp doesn’t just eliminate the ‘sandbaggers’. It also eliminates everyone who isn’t signed up to zwiftpower who’s results are legitimate. So it’s kind of skewed and imperfect to say the least. It’s a shame zwift as a company seem to have so little interest in fixing this stuff.

I would of thought if you're interested in racing, you would sign upto the platform which collects the data. (AAAC Ahem:okay:)

There are still lots who ride without a HR monitor.

Still its an easy way to promote a finish ing position^_^
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
I would of thought if you're interested in racing, you would sign upto the platform which collects the data. (AAAC Ahem:okay:)

There are still lots who ride without a HR monitor.

Still its an easy way to promote a finish ing position^_^

I think this is where zwift as a company falls short. There are lots of people racing on zwift, perhaps often occasional racers rather than day in day out racers, who are unaware zwift power even exists. I’m sure there are lots of people who join races on the fly, and then take the zwift on screen result as final, and have no idea the results are being filtered on zp. Zwift could bridge this gap between the two sets of results pretty easily if they wanted to but don’t seem to want to.

Then of course you have others who are intentionally sandbagging. So I think you have no choice but to go with the zp result in an imperfect system. Your result stands :okay:^_^
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
I have just swapped my coach (new coaching officially starts today) and he is telling me I need to be riding outside more. He also says I've done too much high end and not enough Zone 2 base endurance.

why did you change coaches martin?
 

Norry1

Legendary Member
Location
Warwick
why did you change coaches martin?

Longish story. Whilst he was great at commenting on each session I did, I wasn't getting the bigger picture or any insight into what he thought my numbers etc were telling him. His hard sessions were also so hard I was failing early in - say half way through which was demoralising - and I'm used to hard sessions. I wished him well but said I didn't think our styles matched.

I've moved to a guy who specialises in coaching "Masters" athletes - and one of his goals is to educate his athletes to the point that they could self coach. This is his website if anyone is interested. http://mccm.iwsi.ie/
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
I am Martin, I think the hole in the net, is Zwift set slightly different W/Kg categories to ZP. So quite a number stayed in the C cat. Not to worry, they make me work harder^_^
It's also the fact the Crit races are about 20 mins in duration, so when you take 95% of that the w/kg comes within limit. I have a feeling sandbaggers are picking these races specifically because of the race length (if they can finish sub 20 mins then I don't think the w/kg kicks in anyway).

Yes, the Crits are a good workout, but too many sandbaggers to ever have a chance of winning C cat (and the D's are having a similar issue).
 

Norry1

Legendary Member
Location
Warwick
It's also the fact the Crit races are about 20 mins in duration, so when you take 95% of that the w/kg comes within limit. I have a feeling sandbaggers are picking these races specifically because of the race length (if they can finish sub 20 mins then I don't think the w/kg kicks in anyway).

Yes, the Crits are a good workout, but too many sandbaggers to ever have a chance of winning C cat (and the D's are having a similar issue).

I think you may have it the wrong way around. As the races are usually just over 20 minutes (but not much longer) riders usually get very high 20 minute power which inflates their w/kg calculation compared to a longer ride.

I agree ref sandbaggers though - very annoying.
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
I prepared last year solely on the turbo doing zone 2 multi hour sessions for Tenerife. I was saddle fit and pleasantly surprised how comfortable the effort was for the week. I quickly settled into bike handling.

I do understand the quote above, but I have the ability to zone out and distraction of my garden to keep me from going crazy:okay:
Same here - I did a few (4?) outside rides last year prior to the ToC but all my other training was on the turbo, and I easily managed the 100 miles on the SS. I'll do the same again for the 2020 ToC - if I can get out I will, but I'm not expecting to be out more than a dozen times. I did the same for the DD the previous 2 years. If you're willing to sit indoors for a few hours then turbo training is as good as out doors (bar the bike handling) - and it's a lot safer :biggrin: I can happily sit on the turbo for 2+ hours without getting bored :okay: And I find I get a much harder workout on the turbo compared to what I can get outdoors, but that might be a personal thing.
 
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