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Workout 3 done with 2 15m sessions at 240w plus- feeling...tired.

I've also enrolled on the Zwift Acadamy - it's the first time I've done a structured training plan. Last winter I used Zwift but just took part in the training group rides (started out in Sub2W/KG rides and progressed from there). I became an unofficial sweeper in some of the lower power rides which I really enjoyed.

I did my first ZA group ride the other day - I did it the day after my FTP and chose a 2w/kg sprint ride for an easy time of it. It was over 3w/kg from the gun and didn't drop. In the end a group formed off the back which was doing 2w/kg and I rode around with them while the leader and most of the other participants raced around at much higher power.

I think the racing attitude/mentality is spreading quickly within group rides on Zwift that aren't races. It's a shame because it could deter beginners when they join a low power ride and see the group storm off. If people want to race, why don't they join a race? Probably because they're not good enough and would get dropped in a race so try to race riders who aren't racing :wacko:
 

Breedon

Legendary Member
Damn... Clearly the Volcano CCW 8 is a good course for me.

Looked like ~80 Cs in the pen today. I noticed one rider who will remain nameless, but whom seems to consistently hit the podium and who is also a bit obnoxious in complaining about riders that will DQ, drafting off other groups, etc. If you've done a lot of C races, you'd probably recognize the name. So the plan was to try and stick with him for the entire race. The theory being if I'm with him, then I'm very likely to be in the lead qualified group. In front -- then I'm pushing too hard. If behind, then I need to bridge up to a faster group.

Given the size of the race, I figured starting hard was going to be necessary. It actually felt easier than the slower ramp-ups I've been doing lately. I found my target without an insane effort and tried to settle in for the ride. it was a tough pace, but no worse IMHO than others on the same course. My target had started whining about the over wattage folks before we even left the pen and it continued once the race started. Then some complaints about drafting off other groups being lame. It's a bit annoying. I may need to turn off in-game messages.

We had a fairly large group -- enough that we didn't fit on the "riders nearby" list, so keeping tabs on my target was difficult at times. I did some verification with the ZP live info to see if we were in the lead group of likely qualified riders and it seemed like we were. At some point a group came flying by, presumably the As. I increased power just in case someone in our group was going to try and hang on for a good draft. Most of the other riders I was watching seemed to be there after the As finally departed. Except I was having trouble finding my target! Turns out he must have drafted the As. Maybe he drafted another C that drafted the As or maybe he directly drafted the As. I don't know. Thankfully he was only about 10 seconds ahead, so I hit the gas and jumped to the faster group.

We're in a smaller group now, so it's easier to identify my target which is good. Somewhere near the 15 minute mark the Bs came flying by. And again my target got away. This time zwift reported him nearly a minute ahead when I finally found him. Damn! We had a little group of strong Cs but I figured my target had gotten away. His w/kg went down significantly as we approached the 20 minute mark -- I guessed he might be worried that he was over category limits. Suddenly he was less than 20 seconds ahead. I'd scored an aero power-up as we past the lap marker. I used it and hit the gas. No clue if I dragged anyone with me, I just wanted to take advantage of the opportunity and latch onto him again.

His group had a couple that looked like they were going to be spit out the back. I barely caught them right before the little downhill and the three of us caught my target on that little downhill. I tried to bring my HR back down so I'd not get dropped when we climbed back into the volcano -- with success. We were small enough now that I could see my target most of the time. So I settled in. I figured I was near my limit, so I didn't take any pulls for the 2nd half of the race and tried to never be in a position to have to go hard to avoid getting dropped.

As we approached the climb on lap #7 I went pretty hard to help ensure I didn't get dropped as that's been a problem before on this course. Norry (I think) dropped me a ride-on after we crested which helped as well. I was with the likely winning group on the final lap! Nothing terribly eventful through the final lap. Everyone seemed to be content to wait for the final climb into the volcano. Everyone went pretty hard on the climb, but I was still up with the group. Then folks went really hard. I tried to go with them, but only had a few seconds in me and I got past by a few, including my target.

In the end my target took the win for C group. I placed 5th out of about 50 qualified riders, just 3 seconds behind the winner. Lowest w/kg in the top 25, so clearly depending on me to take pulls in a race group isn't wise. I'm sucking wheels and looking to sneak my way onto the podium :-)

Anyway, I know I can stay with the winners on that course. Now I just need to do so with enough in the tank to finish strong.
I think his name is juan ferres and yes he is annoying
 

bobinski

Legendary Member
Location
Tulse Hill
I've also enrolled on the Zwift Acadamy - it's the first time I've done a structured training plan. Last winter I used Zwift but just took part in the training group rides (started out in Sub2W/KG rides and progressed from there). I became an unofficial sweeper in some of the lower power rides which I really enjoyed.

I did my first ZA group ride the other day - I did it the day after my FTP and chose a 2w/kg sprint ride for an easy time of it. It was over 3w/kg from the gun and didn't drop. In the end a group formed off the back which was doing 2w/kg and I rode around with them while the leader and most of the other participants raced around at much higher power.

I think the racing attitude/mentality is spreading quickly within group rides on Zwift that aren't races. It's a shame because it could deter beginners when they join a low power ride and see the group storm off. If people want to race, why don't they join a race? Probably because they're not good enough and would get dropped in a race so try to race riders who aren't racing :wacko:

I think sometimes people join these rides without looking at the description. I know I made a mistake of riding of the front on a few pack sub 2,s. Some treat these rides as recovery rides o lay to find they are stronger than the other riders. Different weights do affect speed on flat or uphill so I think best if they set a max speed on the flats or a time if going up a hill or mountain. Or give leader power to kick anyone a set time or distance or watts out of the ride.
Apparently changes coming including 2 courses and some of those changes are supposed to address group rides.
 

berty bassett

Legendary Member
Location
I'boro
off topic for a minute if you don't mind
i may be in the market for a new gps - i had a garmin 705 that has been brilliant over the years in some real bad weather but after the latest off it has passed away . hopefully the insurance will be coughing up for a new one - or at least part payment
i have a garmin 1000 that i really like but the battery doesnt last as long as the 705 and a few have commented on water damage in heavy rain
i know a few of you have moved to other units lately - could i ask how your getting on with them - battery life and bad weather ?
i would like to think it hasnt put me off 10-12hr rides but it would be nice not to have to take my battery pack
 
off topic for a minute if you don't mind
i may be in the market for a new gps - i had a garmin 705 that has been brilliant over the years in some real bad weather but after the latest off it has passed away . hopefully the insurance will be coughing up for a new one - or at least part payment
i have a garmin 1000 that i really like but the battery doesnt last as long as the 705 and a few have commented on water damage in heavy rain
i know a few of you have moved to other units lately - could i ask how your getting on with them - battery life and bad weather ?
i would like to think it hasnt put me off 10-12hr rides but it would be nice not to have to take my battery pack
Just went through the same thing - looking for turn by turn app/long battery/ text and phone notifications and ended up with the Garmin Vivoactive watch. Long battery life and gives the tech nerd look off the bike. The other option of bolt and reflector etc all looked good.
 

berty bassett

Legendary Member
Location
I'boro
Just went through the same thing - looking for turn by turn app/long battery/ text and phone notifications and ended up with the Garmin Vivoactive watch. Long battery life and gives the tech nerd look off the bike. The other option of bolt and reflector etc all looked good.
oooo hadn't even considered a watch ! - more to think about
 

JLaw

Veteran
Sounds like a cool race. Would have liked to have done it - but was co-opted into Puppy's first puppy training class :eek:

Hopefully get a race in sometime today. Will have to sort the Zwiftpower Live thing. To date, I have relied on getting to the front of the group I'm in and seeing if anyone shows up in front. Of course, that can be distorted by A's and B's ahead.
Yea, it was a good race. Other than the annoyance from the whiner, but I tried to use that as additional motivation when he snuck away.

I think I took too much from the tank chasing him down the two times he got away - it'd be interesting to see how things pan out if I could avoid losing him and thus avoid the need to jump groups twice. I've certainly had stronger finishes than what I did yesterday.

I do think having a target to focus on really helped with not jamming too hard in the first 10 minutes, motivation to chase when he got away and motivation to push through the fatigue and stick with the leaders late in the race.
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
off topic for a minute if you don't mind
i may be in the market for a new gps - i had a garmin 705 that has been brilliant over the years in some real bad weather but after the latest off it has passed away . hopefully the insurance will be coughing up for a new one - or at least part payment
i have a garmin 1000 that i really like but the battery doesnt last as long as the 705 and a few have commented on water damage in heavy rain
i know a few of you have moved to other units lately - could i ask how your getting on with them - battery life and bad weather ?
i would like to think it hasnt put me off 10-12hr rides but it would be nice not to have to take my battery pack

I can recommend the element highly Berty. Well in my case the element bolt but if you're coming from an edge 1000 and prefer the bigger screen then maybe it's the bolt for you.

I've tested it on a relatively long ride using turn by turn through smaller country roads and it was flawless. If I'm being hyper critical I'd say same of the turn warnings were a little late but maybe that's down to signal. It never missed a turn for what it's worth. And the bleeps it gives out if you miss a turn are nice and loud. I had to map the route myself rather than taking it from strava as otherwise you don't get the turn by turn but it was easy and I got better and faster as I got used to it. Also you really want to do this on laptop in my opinion as it's easier to control. I would say that when I had it on map screen it allows you to put other lines of info on the screen. For this option the bigger screen would be better 100%. I ended up just putting speed and power on but I'd of preferred a second line with cadence and heart rate too. If I'd of had the second line the map would of been badly compromised.

The fact you set everything up from your display via your mobile phone is excellent. So straight forward. It's very very user friendly / idiot proof!

Mine seems to take a while to upload rides onto strava once I've pressed end ride. This can be a little annoying as it means I can't turn the unit off straight away.

I like the look of the watches too, as Randy says, very geek chic! But for me I like the info on my handlebars as I'm always referring to it.
 

bobinski

Legendary Member
Location
Tulse Hill
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Well TT, I hope you are going to remain loyal after all that sniping!



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<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London

bobinski

Legendary Member
Location
Tulse Hill
TT, Is that supposed to be pot kettle?!? :laugh:

No man or woman who rides a bike as bling as yours should be riding a bkool pro:tongue: so get yourself a direct drive trainer
 
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