You can't go wrong with god on your side.....can you ??

[purpan]

The Quran originated in written form. There was no oral tradition prior to the written scriptures.
The angel Gabriel apparently dictated it to an illiterate guy in a cave.
Sounds a bit like Joseph Smith and the angel Moroni to me.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

 

[Dirk]

The Nazi’s took ideas from paganism, then made up their own tall tales to suit their agenda of Aryan superiority, iirc it was all down to Goebbels porky pies.

View: https://youtu.be/tuB2L6SN6Lg

The first treaty the Nazis agreed was with the Vatican.
Catholic priests were required to hold services celebrating Hitler's birthday throughout the regimes rule.

 

[Drago]

Nasty bit of work that Goebals bloke.

I still don't understand why part of Glasgow is named after him.

 

[Blue Hills]

The first treaty the Nazis agreed was with the Vatican.
Catholic priests were required to hold services celebrating Hitler's birthday throughout the regimes rule.

and the Vatican signed a deal with Mussolini.
The pope at the time declared that Il Duce was a man sent by "providence", which effectively meant God.
it's the reason that for years and years (it has been lapsing somewhat) crucifixes were placed in every single Italian school - it was part of the deal.
Also in many many government offices.
I have seen an Italian local council chamber where there was a crucifix - placed above the pic of the Italian president.
Just so's folk knew what the pecking order was.

 

[oldwheels]

Nasty bit of work that Goebals bloke.

I still don't understand why part of Glasgow is named after him.

Not sure how to take that.If serious you want to brush up on your Glasgow districts.

 

[Drago]

Me? Serious? That'll be the day!

 

[DRM]

The first treaty the Nazis agreed was with the Vatican.
Catholic priests were required to hold services celebrating Hitler's birthday throughout the regimes rule.

Their best mates, made provision to allow them all escape to Argentina when the wheels fell of Hitlers grand plans

 

[Drago]

Although anyone who facilitates me ending up in a dump like Argentina would not be considered my best mate!

 

[Smokin Joe]

Britain is a Christian country because the Romans invaded and forced it on the inhabitants. We could just as easily be Muslims or Sikhs had it been someone from the middle east.

 

[Blue Hills]

Their best mates, made provision to allow them all escape to Argentina when the wheels fell of Hitlers grand plans

yes, the rat run - lots went through Genova with the aid of various catholic clergy.

 

[mudsticks]

I suspect you may be correct, but for all that, but for a Universe teeming so busily with life there is a distinct dearth of actual evidence of it anywhere other than upon Earth.

Exactly.

All the more reason then to look after this unique place , where all the planets aligned and allowed life to flourish, somehow.

God or no* god, this is the only home we've got..

And we're on the brink of trashing it for ourselves..

All that shizzle about being given *dominion* over all things by the 'big man' upstairs..

Hmm..

A bit of humanistic, humbleness, instead wouldn't go amiss.

* If there is one, then he /she / it doesnt seem to be paying much attention, so I don't see why we should be 'worshipping' such a neglectful deity.

 

[Blue Hills]

Britain is a Christian country because the Romans invaded and forced it on the inhabitants. We could just as easily be Muslims or Sikhs had it been someone from the middle east.

And how the romans adopted christianity is a story in itself.
There is a theory that as the empire declined lots of the roman elite saw the way the wind was blowing, jumped ship to the church - the new power - found profitable positions - and so the game went on.
And together the romans and christians found it mutually convenient to blame the jews for christ's death.
The bit of the catholic church rites blaming the jews was only removed in the late 50s/early 60s.
Its effect is still felt in italy.
One italian told me that the jews were marked because of "usury".
God knows what they thought the business of the revered Medici was.

 

[Rocky]

Exactly.

All the more reason then to look after this unique place , where all the planets aligned and allowed life to flourish, somehow.

God or no* god, this is the only home we've got..

And we're on the brink of trashing it for ourselves..

All that shizzle about being given *dominion* over all things by the 'big man' upstairs..

Hmm..

A bit of humanistic, humbleness, instead wouldn't go amiss.

* If there is one, then he /she / it doesnt seem to be paying much attention, so I don't see why we should be 'worshipping' such a neglectful deity.

Although I find it nice, sometimes, to walk into a quiet country church, reflect on one's life, have a dialogue with him/her, and get one's thoughts in line. It helps to make sense of things.

As a scientist, I probably shouldn't believe in God but it's nice occasionally to have some wriggle room in one's beliefs.

 

[roadrash]

I am a dyslexic agnostic insomniac.... i lie awake at night wondering if there is a dog

 

[mudsticks]

Although I find it nice, sometimes, to walk into a quiet country church, reflect on one's life, have a dialogue with him/her, and get one's thoughts in line. It helps to make sense of things.

As a scientist, I probably shouldn't believe in God but it's nice occasionally to have some wriggle room in one's beliefs.

Oh for sure.
I have great respect for science, but tis but just another human construct, albeit an honest and honourable one, when done well .

I have a very committed spiritual life and practice, based around understanding, awareness and acceptance.

And practice a kind of detachment from outcomes, that doesn't stop me striving for better.

I've also found that living as if there is this thing called 'spirit' whether individual or collective, makes for a better, and nicer life all round.

Having a chat with the 'cosmic forces*' whatever they are is a fine thing to do as well..

Bigger picture etc etc

* If we actually knew, what that was, it would probably bust our tiny little brainiums...

Better get the pizza in >>>>>>