mustang1
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I would either get a new window 11 laptop or a MacBook. I would stay away from Linux for laptop/desktop stuff.
Windows 10 users after 14 October 2025
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Paul_Smith SRCC
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What frustrates me is I am the type of person who buys something and replaces it when it's broken and no longer works. When I break something I take it on the chin; but this feels like Microsoft are effectively about to break it. Technically yes it will not actually stop working but if it's unsafe then it's not really usable anymore as far as I am concerned.
I totally get they want to sell new product, but for me they should inspire that by making the evolutions so good we simply must have them. Personally with literally millions of users that have W10 that can't upgrade to W11, Microsoft with their massive resources should at least keep existing W10 users safe. I totally accept that I should not expect feature improvements but to me this feels like Microsoft are holding W10 users to ransom forcing them to update. What doesn't sit well with me as they are actually taking something away, it'll be like me saying to a customer "there's some new brakes available now so unless you buy these I am going to take yours off"!! It's actually putting me off their brand and promoting me to look elsewhere.
I am coming to the conclusion that a 'Linux' or 'Chrome Flex' OS would be the option if I do feel unsafe using W10 on any level, in reality the only thing I would loose out on personally is iTunes MP3 downloads, the rest of what I use my laptop for I can achieve with an alternative OS. I'd imagine I will not be the only one who won't be upgrading their hardware just to get W11, potentially they are inspiring many away from their product that they then later have to try and win back.
I totally get they want to sell new product, but for me they should inspire that by making the evolutions so good we simply must have them. Personally with literally millions of users that have W10 that can't upgrade to W11, Microsoft with their massive resources should at least keep existing W10 users safe. I totally accept that I should not expect feature improvements but to me this feels like Microsoft are holding W10 users to ransom forcing them to update. What doesn't sit well with me as they are actually taking something away, it'll be like me saying to a customer "there's some new brakes available now so unless you buy these I am going to take yours off"!! It's actually putting me off their brand and promoting me to look elsewhere.
I am coming to the conclusion that a 'Linux' or 'Chrome Flex' OS would be the option if I do feel unsafe using W10 on any level, in reality the only thing I would loose out on personally is iTunes MP3 downloads, the rest of what I use my laptop for I can achieve with an alternative OS. I'd imagine I will not be the only one who won't be upgrading their hardware just to get W11, potentially they are inspiring many away from their product that they then later have to try and win back.
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Electric_Andy
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It's planned obsolescence on a gross scale
Marchrider
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I blocked all updates along time ago (2016 was last update) are they really important, or are we being sold a pup
if there is some cyber danger out there, come Oct 25 will the hackers still be targeting these old machines that few people will have
if there is some cyber danger out there, come Oct 25 will the hackers still be targeting these old machines that few people will have
Use a third party firewall etc. Microsoft did not use to provide any such facility with earlier versions of Windows. Norton IME got very bloated and rightly criticised but has reacted and slimmed down significantly. If you use BT as your broadband supplier you get it free.
markemark
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Yes because it’ll be getting much easier and they know lots of people won’t be upgrading.
Ming the Merciless
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Ming the Merciless
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There’s the problem. We don’t know how much is real and how much is sleight of hand. If it were scientific, it could be repeated time and again by others. It doesn’t really say anything about out of support versions of Windows.
If you think your supported version of Windows is better protected. Turn off your router firewall and windows firewall. Turn off any anti virus. Turn off Windows Defender features. Remove passwords from all the accounts, including Admin. Remove all patches, since it was released. In other words if W10 got back to the very first version of it. Ensure remote access is enabled. Then leave it turned on and connected to the Internet.
Seevio
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It turns out installing XP on an old (but not as old as XP) laptop was not as simple as I thought. Anyway, it's done now and is connected to my network. Now we wait.
Straw man argument. It is better protected if it's in support. What will turning off other protections prove?
Ming the Merciless
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It’ll prove that if you leave your doors open, with the keys in the ignition, and engine running, and walk away for a while, then your car will get stolen regardless of its age. The whole video is a straw man.
If you truly believed your later version would do better, you’d turn off all its protections because it wouldn’t need them. If you turn off all the things protecting your PC what do you expect?
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Like most, im not a IT expert, just a user. Over 20 years of running both MACS and Windows at work I know which brand is the most reliable and less effected by SPAM and viruses. The additional cost is peanuts compared with the lost time with windows based issues.
i understand that many IT people don’t like MACS but in my experience that’s because they can’t manipulate them to the same degree, maybe that’s through lack of training or the unknown. But when I sit at my desk this morning my MAC will boot up and work, unlike the the windows users who weekly get updates that slow things down and don’t work with all of the software.
Just as a counter point, that's not my experience at all, I sat at my desk this morning, logged into my laptop for work (which has been sat turned on for about a month now at this point with no updates or reboots) and started working even my VPN hasn't disconnected for a couple of weeks. Can't remember the last time a bit of software didn't work either. The same goes for my Windows gaming desktop.
For all it's faults and there are plenty, Windows is very reliable and fast these days.
I have to concur. The only BSOD type event I've seen in the last few years is when I was playing with overclocking my memory. The only thing I still hate about windows is the reliance on the registry and the requirement to reboot to get some registry items to actually register. Commodore mastered this back in the 1980s with the Amiga - you'd have thought Microsoft would have caught up by now.
To be fair *nix mastered this in the 70s, although all of them lack proper rollback in case of settings corruption. Had a couple of BSOD a few years back, also a memory issue with a failing DDR3 module (bought second hand to extend the life of the platform) which was solved by replacing the hardware.
