Why wouldn't you wear a helmet

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summerdays

Cycling in the sun
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Bristol
That's anecdotal evidence, why isn't there a host of studies carrying out rigorous testing at the kind of speeds and impacts that cyclists have with vehicles or high speed loss of control incidents?

Why is the standard a vertical drop and 12 mph (or what ever the unlikely scenario is)?
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
No, I've never hit a car at speed. Why did you? Why didn't you do an emergency turn? I've done a few of those over the years, including sliding down the side of a white van after a stereotypical roundabout SMIDSY.

If a motor vehicle hits me hard enough to do damage, I think it's improbable that a helmet will prevent serious injury (as it doesn't cover limbs or torso) and that small probability of help doesn't outweigh the large probability of neck injury during non crash riding.
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
No, I've never hit a car at speed. Why did you? Why didn't you do an emergency turn? I've done a few of those over the years, including sliding down the side of a white van after a stereotypical roundabout SMIDSY.
I think that is unfair to imply he could have prevented the incident, we weren't there, the only way to ensure we weren't involved in a traffic accident would be to not leave the house and even then a car could hit the house! And that goes for all forms of transportation whether helmet wearing or not.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I think that is unfair to imply he could have prevented the incident, we weren't there, the only way to ensure we weren't involved in a traffic accident would be to not leave the house and even then a car could hit the house! And that goes for all forms of transportation whether helmet wearing or not.
I'm not implying that. I know I wasn't there. That's why I'm asking why an emergency turn wasn't an option! :rolleyes:

I've hit inanimate objects when motoring and cycling. Operator error. So my experience is that most collisions are self inflicted, low speed and don't knock one off the bike. :laugh:
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
Those who mock the use of cycle helmets may i ask if you've ever been involved in a serious collision with a car?
Yes. Once a car drove into the side of my bike, another time a car drove over my foot (although that was skating not cycling) causing a head wound and dislocated my clavicle from the sternum. The head wound stopped bleeding while I was waiting in A&E to be seen, the clavicle meant I couldn't tie my own shoelaces for three weeks - I know which one I found more annoying
 

Red17

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Accy cyclist

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No, I've never hit a car at speed. Why did you? Why didn't you do an emergency turn? I've done a few of those over the years, including sliding down the side of a white van after a stereotypical roundabout SMIDSY.

If a motor vehicle hits me hard enough to do damage, I think it's improbable that a helmet will prevent serious injury (as it doesn't cover limbs or torso) and that small probability of help doesn't outweigh the large probability of neck injury during non crash riding.

I did do an emergency turn. As the car turned right i turned right hitting the side and not the bonnet, That's why the damage to the helmet is on the left hand side. So if i'd have managed to totally avoid the car by swerving i'd have been alright would i? No chance of toppling over and hitting my head on the floor as i dramatically swerve then drop from 30 mph to 0 mph in a few seconds then?
 
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byegad

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NE England
As a helmet is designed to a standard so low that you can't wear it on a motorbike, why do people still use hitting a car at 30mph as an example of it having some use?
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
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Those who mock the use of cycle helmets may i ask if you've ever been involved in a serious collision with a car?

Yes.
4 times over the years. Including one going through a windscreen of a minivan and one being knocked out by a copper van.
And your point is?

Oh yes, no one on here mocks helmets wearers.
But I am happy not to disappoint you.

HELMET WEARERS ARE NANCES!
 

swee'pea99

Legendary Member
I don't wear a helmet because I don't like them and don't think even at best they offer any significant protection. But beyond this simple gut personal preference, there are three factors that convince me that wearing a helmet - for the kind of cycling I do - would be a positively bad thing to do.

The first is my personal experience, drawn from two proper 'at-speed' crashes, that in the event of any such, I instinctively compose my body in such a way as to protect my head - and that a helmet, simply by reason of its bulk & shape, would make it more difficult for this to happen. In both of my crashes, everything happened so fast that I can't claim any recollection of exactly how this is achieved, but it feels intuitively likely - the body has a great instinct for self-preservation in a crisis, and has extensive form in prioritising protection of the most important bits - and it also tallies with my experience: in both incidents, I emerged bleeding copiously from multiple wounds, but my head was pristine, not so much as a bump.

The second is evidence that helmets can snag in the event of impact, turning what would have been a nasty graze into neck-snapping whiplash. I have to admit I view these with a certain wry scepticism. No doubt it can happen, but I'm doubtful that it happens very much. Nevertheless, I'd rather take my chances with any amount of scrapery than risk even the slightest chance of a broken neck.

The third and to me the most compelling is the extensive evidence that drivers treat cyclists differently when they wear helmets. They pass closer, and at greater speed. And as an urban cyclist, the behaviour of drivers is by far and away the biggest single factor in deciding my chances of survival. My theory runs as follows: the moment you put on a helmet, you become, in a certain kind of driver's eye, 'a cyclist' (and such people, to paraphrase the great Malcolm Tucker, farking hate farking cyclists), and thus fair game for all sorts of treatment even such people wouldn't inflict on other 'people', who even they recognise as being in at least some sense, like them. To put it at its simplest, a helmet turns an 'us' situation into an us and them situation, and that's when things go pear-shaped.

Personally, then, I prefer not to wear a helmet. I prefer riding without one. There's significant evidence out there to show that I'm at less risk of any kind of incident when not wearing one. And there's also significant evidence - both third party and personal/anecdotal - to suggest that the consequences of any incident are less likely to be severe/life-threatening without one.

I have - let me stress - absolutely no beef with anyone choosing to wear one. NB also my very first caveat - "for the kind of cycling I do" - others' experience may differ. But I take serious issue with any talk of complusion. I take great umbrage at, eg, the BMA's endorsement of helmets/compulsion. And I get very angry when I hear of ignorance in authority: from nurses tutting victims to judges apportioning blame to insurers reducing payouts. Hopefully if ever I find myself encountering any such I will have enough of my wits left to enlighten them with the contents of this post...
 

hedder2212

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Location
Walsall
I don't wear a cycle helmet simply because I never have and I don't really want to.
Mummy didn't force me to wear a helmet when I was a kid.
I also ride motorcycles and I wont go out without full leathers or the textile equivalent Because I know ill be going ALOT faster than I do when I cycle.

I've had many accidents both self inflicted and with cars when cycling and not once would a helmet of been helpful.
The way I see it is were all going to die someday so if I die cycling home then so be it, woopty doo. if it happens it happens, we are all well aware of what (very little) risks there are every time we get on our bikes.

I wont wear a helmet because I don't want to and because I don't feel like it.
its all down to personal choice, if you don't like somebody else's personal choices, TOUGH.

I very rarely see non helmet users forcing their opinions upon helmet users, so stop doing it to those who don't want to wear one.
 
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