FishFright
More wheels than sense
The original story was the growth in sales had slowed, by the time it gone through the Chinese whispers of social media it was the collapse of EV sales and proof they were doomed. Oh what a world we live in.
Why do people get such strong feelings over electric cars and solar panels etc.
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The original story was the growth in sales had slowed, by the time it gone through the Chinese whispers of social media it was the collapse of EV sales and proof they were doomed. Oh what a world we live in.
classic33
Leg End Member
And falling sales, worldwide, from 2025. From non other than Musk himself, hinting that yearly EV vehicle sales have peaked. And that it's downhill, just like the Tesla share price, from here on.
It's not quite as simple as that. Sales will continue to sell. Musk is also positioning a new, smaller, cheaper Tesla Model 2 to be produced in 2025 which will likely increase sales. It's Tesla's growth that is starting to stagnate. Tesla now has lots of competition. EV sales aren't suddenly going to dry up, but financial growth is a very different ball game, particularly as prices will start to go down as battery tech gets cheaper.
classic33
Leg End Member
Zero increase on sales this year, with sale volumes set to drop next year, for Tesla.
But probably to increase at the end of the year and into 2026 once the Model 2 becomes available.
Inadorel
Regular
I think there is a substantial group of people who just object to change as a matter of principal. Because they dislike (in many cases with good reason) some of the more extreme "Green" policies that make media headlines, they throw away the baby with the bathwater and develop an irrational hatred for anything related to the technology.
I've heard over and over again that solar panels are a waste of money and "don't work in our climate", when it is simply not true. For example, I live in the West Highlands of Scotland, a northerly area with a notoriously wet climate. Between mid March and mid October we are entirely grid independent, and whilst Dec and Jan are non-starters, even in Nov and Feb we can make enough to trickle by off grid if we are careful about appliance use. For about six months of the year we are net producers and sell a fair bit back to the grid. We have a house battery which covers in hours of darkness. When the time comes to replace our current car, we will get an EV, charge it with our free solar electricity, and use the vehicle itself as an extra battery to supplement the panels during solar dips. All this did come at a price, and I can see issues with renewables (particularly the charging infrastructure for EVs in cities, and the unsuitability of many British homes for either solar or heat pumps), but this isn't an excuse for not looking forward and trying out new things where feasible. Personally I get a huge kick out of seeing the stats from the solar and looking at the CO2 we are not generating. I also have to say that although this is probably unworthy of me that I took a fair degree of pleasure when our area had a 48 hour power cut and we were up and running when all the people who had rubbished the solar were sitting in the dark!
I'm 57 - so no one can say that it is just us "old people" who refuse to embrace change
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
I think one of the biggest issues are parts availability, especially from Chinese EV's, which in turn pushes up insurance as a damaged car may be sat for some time awaiting something simple like a bumper and a wing.
Weren't you tempted to switch all the lights on and blast out a few tunes 😉😁
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
I'm 57 - so no one can say that it is just us "old people" who refuse to embrace change
The oldest member of our Morris side is 84, and he & his wife have two EVs.
I'm 65, my wife is 74, and we installed solar panels and battery two years ago.
Jameshow
Veteran
I think there is a substantial group of people who just object to change as a matter of principal. Because they dislike (in many cases with good reason) some of the more extreme "Green" policies that make media headlines, they throw away the baby with the bathwater and develop an irrational hatred for anything related to the technology.
I've heard over and over again that solar panels are a waste of money and "don't work in our climate", when it is simply not true. For example, I live in the West Highlands of Scotland, a northerly area with a notoriously wet climate. Between mid March and mid October we are entirely grid independent, and whilst Dec and Jan are non-starters, even in Nov and Feb we can make enough to trickle by off grid if we are careful about appliance use. For about six months of the year we are net producers and sell a fair bit back to the grid. We have a house battery which covers in hours of darkness. When the time comes to replace our current car, we will get an EV, charge it with our free solar electricity, and use the vehicle itself as an extra battery to supplement the panels during solar dips. All this did come at a price, and I can see issues with renewables (particularly the charging infrastructure for EVs in cities, and the unsuitability of many British homes for either solar or heat pumps), but this isn't an excuse for not looking forward and trying out new things where feasible. Personally I get a huge kick out of seeing the stats from the solar and looking at the CO2 we are not generating. I also have to say that although this is probably unworthy of me that I took a fair degree of pleasure when our area had a 48 hour power cut and we were up and running when all the people who had rubbished the solar were sitting in the dark!
I'm 57 - so no one can say that it is just us "old people" who refuse to embrace change
For many people I doubt it's a principal thing, more getting by each month / enjoying a holiday or two is higher on thier priorities?
Not everyone has £25k spare and to see it repay for itself over 25 years is a long investment.
Electric_Andy
Heavy Metal Fan
- Location
- Plymouth
My parents had solar panels installed about 15 years ago (I think). Back then it was a big outlay but the prices you got for selling your unused electricity were high. Just last month, Dad had to send his utility company a screenshot of his solar panel usage (I guess from the battery/interface module) because the utility company didn't believe he had used so little mains electric. At the rate we are going, I'd gladly have them fitted but we can't afford it. Our utility bills are around £400/month in the winter.
It seems silly not to pack every new rooftop with panels, but I guess there has been a lot of public and covert resistance from energy suppliers who don't want to lose the chance to fleece us every month in bills
It seems silly not to pack every new rooftop with panels, but I guess there has been a lot of public and covert resistance from energy suppliers who don't want to lose the chance to fleece us every month in bills
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
It should be closer to 10 years - and ours, which is a very big system for a domestic one at 10.1kW only cost about 20K.
But I agree, that is still a very big investment for a young couple with a mortgage and a family. They will very rarely be able to pay up front, and the cost of a loan will extend the payback period.
Thats the same with many makes now. They don't keep large inventories anymore of spares. I watch a fair few mechanics YT channels and they are always saying parts are on backorder for a variety of common home manufactured brands.
My Nissan needed to wait two weeks for drive shaft.
If you need any door fixing bolts Boing has a few left over from the last maintenance job.
