Indeed; do we know the breakdown between BEVs and hybrids (plug-in and otherwise)?
Indeed, which was kind of my point..
Why do people get such strong feelings over electric cars and solar panels etc.
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FishFright
More wheels than sense
I've not managed to find that break down yet, but Telsa make up around 50% of the sales
Jameshow
Veteran
Probably very fast superchargers.
Cost to "fill up" is prob as much as ice car?
If you have Tesla's charging ability / network all well and good, but for those further down the food chain it's less clear cut.
BoldonLad
Not part of the Elite
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Could it be that the reduced "take-up", compared to UK, is connected to differences in Company Car provision, between the two Countries?, I suspect a high proportion of EVs "sold" in UK are Company vehicles in one form or another.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Give the humungous subsidy via BIK for EVs, I expect you're right
This is all about to change, Tesla has already agreed in the USA , Europe and UK to share it's network. I have seen many different makes at Tesla superchargers
There are more and more great facilities opening up. As well as things like the BP Pulse Gigahub in Birmingham, chargers are starting to appear in other useful places. I stopped in Banbury Cross Retail park a while back - 8 superchargers available. I found another off motorway service station that had 10 superchargers in a nice area in Whitstable.
There's an excellent YouTube channel " Dave takes it On " which has regular updates on charger networks, prices etc. Well measured and not at all " Shouty ', I think he's an ex RAF Helicopter Pilot.
On a related topic I was astonished to read about the way car sales are managed in the USA. It many states it is illegal to buy a car direct from the manufacturer and must be done through dealerships. The dealerships often add many thousands to the list price of vehicles and a great amount of their income comes from lucrative vehicle servicing contracts. Of course with Electric vehicles needing comparatively much less servicing they can see an income stream disappearing and are keen to maintain the status quo for as long as possible ( and they're one of the largest political donors ). The EV manufacturers have made a mis step with them all aiming for the more lucrative end of the market and tooling up production lines to build large more expensive models that only a limited number of people can afford. Going back the dealership issue in the USA, Tesla have come to arrangements with some of the Native American lands to build and operate showrooms there.
On a related topic I was astonished to read about the way car sales are managed in the USA. It many states it is illegal to buy a car direct from the manufacturer and must be done through dealerships. The dealerships often add many thousands to the list price of vehicles and a great amount of their income comes from lucrative vehicle servicing contracts. Of course with Electric vehicles needing comparatively much less servicing they can see an income stream disappearing and are keen to maintain the status quo for as long as possible ( and they're one of the largest political donors ). The EV manufacturers have made a mis step with them all aiming for the more lucrative end of the market and tooling up production lines to build large more expensive models that only a limited number of people can afford. Going back the dealership issue in the USA, Tesla have come to arrangements with some of the Native American lands to build and operate showrooms there.
Yeah - Tesla really annoyed them by finding loopholes. IIRC one loophole is that these laws sometime don't apply to online sales. In some states you just can't buy a Tesla - you have to go to a different state. In others it refers to "franchised dealers" so Tesla just have one store etc.
Yep - another loophole.
The next problem he has to solve is the insurance issue. Apparently Tesla is now working with Thatcham to get the megacast components scrutinised in an effort to reduce insurance costs by getting Thatcham approval.
That's reminded me of an article I read several years ago about the financial case for Tesla starting its own motor insurance business. On the face of it, it made sound economic sense.
rogerzilla
Legendary Member
I have looked into buying an EV at the last two purchases and ultimately decided not to. What I have etablished:
- You MUST do almost all your charging at home, as the cost of on-road charging is too high.
- You need a big battery to ensure you can predominantly return home to charge.
- This means, as an only car, an EV will be fairly expensive, and much more than a comparable petrol car.
- Depreciation on EVs is vertiginous. This makes PCP costs high compared to petrol cars. On the other hand, a 1 year old EV is a bargain; it is usually cheaper than a 1 year old petrol equivalent. Look at ID.3s and petrol Golfs on Autotrader.
- There are no incentives for private buyers unless your employer has a good salary sacrifice scheme. But that means buying a new one with the steep depreciation and therefore high lease cost.
- The current winning strategy seems to be to buy a nearly-new EV with a range of 250 miles or more, if you have a driveway or garage.
- You MUST do almost all your charging at home, as the cost of on-road charging is too high.
- You need a big battery to ensure you can predominantly return home to charge.
- This means, as an only car, an EV will be fairly expensive, and much more than a comparable petrol car.
- Depreciation on EVs is vertiginous. This makes PCP costs high compared to petrol cars. On the other hand, a 1 year old EV is a bargain; it is usually cheaper than a 1 year old petrol equivalent. Look at ID.3s and petrol Golfs on Autotrader.
- There are no incentives for private buyers unless your employer has a good salary sacrifice scheme. But that means buying a new one with the steep depreciation and therefore high lease cost.
- The current winning strategy seems to be to buy a nearly-new EV with a range of 250 miles or more, if you have a driveway or garage.
This one's pretty arguable. If you pick the right charging place, it isn't as cheap as it could be, but isn't prohibitive. Many people manage without home charging and many local authorities are introducing resident schemes.
Strong disagree. You only need a big battery if you go a long way every day. In theory I could manage with a 50 mile range for 95% of the days that I use the car.
Nope. EVs just are more expensive than comparable petrol cars.
Agree.
Also agree.
And agree again. The alternative is wait for 3 to 6 years before you change your car. By that time many more fleet cars will have hit the second hand market battery tech will be on its next iteration and competition will be more fierce, hopefully lowering prices overall.
cougie uk
Guru
We've had the 40kw Leaf for 4 years and do about 13,000 miles a year. Only charge away from home when on holiday. I think the average car in the UK does about 9k per year.
rogerzilla
Legendary Member
My minimum requirement would be to do a round trip of 200 miles without recharging, which means a WLTP range in the high 200s. We go up to Shropshire several times a year and to Gatwick once a year, and both are 100 miles there and 100 miles back. I don't do short trips and the car isn't used daily - it does 5,000 miles a year.
