mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
I will not be discussing the ways of the EU,

I will not be discussing the ways of the EU,
That I actually understand it's very similar to the UK system (but slightly better due to the more proportional elections and greater diversity of parties) and like being able to move across borders without all the faff of most international travel... and that I think the EU has supported much fine work on cycling and the obstacles are in a palace in Westminster, especially the unelected shoots who purport to be scientists and experts but seem to feel no problem with evidence-free claims that cycle superhighways cause more pollution.@mjr, good luck with your discussion and you bid to keep your EU Citizenship,
I can see now why you are so keen on discussing what I would like to be no part of.
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Do you think it's whatever Murdoch, Rothermere and Desmond say? Do you think those old men in limos are ever going to embrace Road Danger Reduction, Sustainable Safety, Vision Zero or similar?
When a video of a driver shunting marathon runners and a marshal down a road is on the BBC news website and no immediate real action is seen to be taken apart from noncommittal phrases we can see who is in charge.
I can sit and watch a road and see speeders, mobile users and people reclined so far they can't see over the dash while wearing no seat belt by the dozen.
The police have no control. There's no desire in government to change the situation.
We're here to vote and pay for the one that comes out with the cleverest words and veiled insults, and of course pay our taxes. As long as we don't kill each other we can do as we please.
Yes I'm a bit fed up this morning![]()
Ah - I hadn't realised, or possibly remembered, that. https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/are-the-safety-stats-misleading.228572/ for anyone interested in the question of what the stats do or don't show. I was pleased to see that there was one of Jo's excellent data visualisations linked to, early on. May take a look at the rest of the thread at some point.I'm not going to argue with you over that, reiver, it's just derailing this debate. There's a thread in Advocacy and Safety called Are The Safety Stats Misleading where people went over it in great detail at the end of last year, you posted in it yourself.
I certainly feel safer on my bike than i do in a car.