Why can't we have government sponsored public info' films to discourage shoot driving?

[User65906]

In competence plays a big part in convicting criminals,
let me explain,
a week ago I went to town, driving home a driver ploughed straight into
the back of me, not once, but twice, I stopped and called the Gards,
they told me to move my vehicles off the road it was blocking traffic,
so I tell the other driver to follow me to a carpark 00 yards away,
I move off slowly, the crook that ran into me never moved, I kept
him in view in the rear mirror for as long as it was safe to do so,
and when I turned into the car park, well where was the drugged out
of his mind driver that ran into me, no where to be seen.

The Guards then turned up to hassle me for insurance documentation,
even though the disk was in its holder on the windscreen, as was the tax
and nct cert.
I can only imagine a cyclist would have been killed, for he hit me, sent
me flying down the road yet was so out of it he hit me again when he
caught up with me, and because of the Guards instructing me to leave
the scene, I had no registration number for the car, which was stuck to
my back bumper, and I did not go near the back of it when I saw the
drivers condition, he got out waving like a tree on a windy day
his eyes were all glossed over and standing in his head,
and a face like beetroot with a blood rush
from what ever he was on, and him barely able to form a word.

 

[winjim]

Post EU Britain to become a cyclist's paradise?

 

[User65906]

Post EU Britain to become a cyclist's paradise?

No idea, but at least the powers that be won't have to run everything past the
EU, they can do their own thing, saves time, money and hopefully lives,
or may be you would like to see the present situation where cyclists are simply
not protected well enough under law continue, and they cyclists keep getting
early non return tickets to a different kind of paradise.

 

[winjim]

No idea, but at least the powers that be won't have to run everything past the
EU, they can do their own thing, saves time, money and hopefully lives,
or may be you would like to see the present situation where cyclists are simply
not protected well enough under law continue, and they cyclists keep getting
early non return tickets to a different kind of paradise.

The UK opted out of an EU initiative to allow cross border exchange of information relating to road traffic offences.

 

[User10119]

but surely PIF's would be better than nothing.

That's just saying "Something must be done!!!!!" regardless of whether or not the something in question is meaningful, useful, productive or effective.

I have done it on and off for over 35 years.
If I thought it was dangerous I would have given up long ago. It's simply not.

Yeah, with you on that. And I wouldn't let my kids do it with me either. I do though, because while of course there are risks in riding a bike, as there are risks in pretty much everything in life, they are massively outweighed by the benefits on both an individual and a societal scale.

Post EU Britain to become a cyclist's paradise?

Along the lines of the Netherlands and Belgium and rural France, maybe? Well, will we not have some change out of the 350million quid from the side of a bus to invest? Perhaps we could invest some of that in getting up to scratch, eh...

 

[Nigel-YZ1]

Didn't the infomercials stop when the broadcaster prices got too high?
After all paying for wars at a million quid a bomb is fine for a government, but paying for something nice like curing cancer or saving lives has to be left to charities.

 

[User65906]

So please do tell us which road traffic laws the UK is supposedly prevented from passing due to its membership of the EU?

Europe is one big dictatorship, the powers that be have to ensure what they
do is in line with the EU 's way of thinking, I find the EU to be one enormous
obstacle, they are quick enough to act when it makes the wealthy even wealthier
with their directives, but the ordinary people are the last thing they are concerned
about.
Not really into politics, but not blind to what needs to be done and why it never
get done either.

 

[User65906]

User, I will not be discussing the ways of the EU,
if you can't see how they have gone about doing business then
your not seeing what I see.
Does the fact the UK are discussing their exit of the EU not
indicate anything to you regarding policy making, they are not
leaving because the EU make life easy.
Post EU, the UK won't have to be concerned or contend
with the EU and can push on making what ever changes
the people put before them, no EU dictators involved,
you do realize a law can't be made that conflicts with another
law, and when you are part of the EU, this causes big problems,
for your laws at home will take second place to the EU laws,
old laws are bad enough, try pushing for new ones with the EU
on your back.

In any event, my point is, cyclists need more protection under law,
and new laws can't come soon enough as far as am concerned.

 

[winjim]

I'm hoping once we're free of the EU
the use of carriage return will be banned.

We're going back to the halcyon days of blue passports, steam trains and typewriters.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Severe sentencing isn't the main deterrent, it's the chances of getting caught that deters criminals. I doubt there's a driver in the country that doesn't know using a mobile phone whilst driving is illegal but it's still a very, very common offence because IMO the chances of getting caught are tiny.

Here's why -

A freedom of information request has recently revealed a 30% drop in the UK’s traffic police force, dropping from 3,766 officers in 2007 to just 2,643 in 2017. The numbers fell sharply between 2012 and 2017, and have been attributed to severe budget cuts within the department. Some counties have felt the pinch more than others – Northamptonshire Police has seen an 83 per cent drop in its traffic officer ranks over the last ten years, with just nine dedicated officers compared to 52 a decade ago

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/19768/british-road-traffic-police-numbers-on-the-decline

Nine officers in Northamptonshire. Given shifts and holidays say two on duty at any one time. I'm going to bet they're going to be sitting on a flyover on the M1 for most of their shift.

If you want to see a decline in traffic offences other than speeding, tax and insurance fraud, then you have to put more police on the road.

 

[User65906]

Egg or pineapple?





PS: as someone who specialised in international law, I know about the reality of the interplay between domestic and EU legislation - not the total spherical danglies pushed by the Daily Wail, UKIP and many less well informed Brexiters.

And you me for an example, a mere cyclist concerned about the lack of laws to protect us,
I wish I had your abilities, I might be able to instigate changes to help us all.

 

[mjr]

Europe is one big dictatorship, [...]

I think you're confusing a dictatorship with another word beginning with d for a system of government with a directly-elected parliament, an indirectly-appointed upper chamber (council or House of Lords) and an executive led by the leader of the largest party in the directly-elected parliament (commission or cabinet).

Not really into politics,

That surprises me immensely(!)

but not blind to what needs to be done and why it never
get done either.

Do you think it's whatever Murdoch, Rothermere and Desmond say? Do you think those old men in limos are ever going to embrace Road Danger Reduction, Sustainable Safety, Vision Zero or similar?

 

[MontyVeda]

No - I was asking you to back up your claim that being a member of the EU prevented us from passing domestic legislation relating to road safety... something you;ve singularly failed to do.

To be fair Reg... , it's common knowledge that we (the UK) can't make our own laws for as long as we're a member of the EU.

It's also absolute shoot, but common knowledge all the same.

Well done for trying to explain it mind. I've never succeeded either.

 

[winjim]

This whole thread is making me very sad.

 

[User65906]

@mjr
I couldn't care less what names are used to describe the powers that be,
what banner they hold up, or what party they belong to,
cyclists need more support to protect them.
But not alone cyclists, pedestrians and other drivers are being
harassed on a daily basis by other motorists too, we need change.