who are pavements for?

[Red Light]

I can not see the Photo Map on my phone but would ask why the judge would say "all but the most hardened road warriors" if it was not extremely dangerous.

Its just a standard two lane town street. It even has a speed camera just down the road so traffic won't even be speeding. So a High Court judge thinks it perfectly reasonable to cycle on the pavement even there. I disagree with his view of the danger but he's the boss legally.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Yep, Angelfishsolo is an incredible human being who never breaks any laws whatsoever.

What a comment on societx when this is found unusual or even possibly meant as a dig.

 

[Red Light]

Where I side with Angelfish is when he's teaching. If someone is taught the correct and proper way, that will be their default and they'll not only be aware when they're outside of this, but should naturally default to it whenever they're in a pressure situation.
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i agree people should be taught not to cycle on the pavement but that is not the issue. Its the demonising of cyclists that do, especially when there is so much encouragement for people to cycle on some bits of the pavement that look in many cases less suitable for cycling on than the ones they get demonised for.

 

[Red Light]

What a comment on societx when this is found unusual or even possibly meant as a dig.

Well you set yourself up for it. I don't believe anyone can go through life without breaking a single law, but that is the person you have set yourself up to be and then used it to judge others. So in the circumstances don't be surprised if some people chip bits off your pedestal.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Its just a standard two lane town street. It even has a speed camera just down the road so traffic won't even be speeding. So a High Court judge thinks it perfectly reasonable to cycle on the pavement even there. I disagree with his view of the danger but he's the boss legally.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if a similar ruling had been made regarging a car parking on a cycle lane. "Only an olympic athelite could be expected to carry items from the car park to the houre" for eg

 

[JonnyBlade]

Other than the round blue sign can you elucidate for me what differentiates a pavement were cyclists are allowed, nay encouraged, to cycle and those where they are not? Is it that one is much wider than the other or has a better surface or better sight lines? Only I struggle to see how one is practically any different from the other.

The key difference is that we are allowed on some but not others. We can pontificate as much as we want as to whether we think the rule is confusing or a nonsense. The fact of the matter is that it's really that simple. Blue sign yes and no sign no!
We get pissed off with cars giving us crap yet some think it's fine to speed along foot paths where pedestrians don't expect to see us ...............

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Well you set yourself up for it. I don't believe anyone can go through life without breaking a single law, but that is the person you have set yourself up to be and then used it to judge others. So in the circumstances don't be surprised if some people chip bits off your pedestal.

I have broken many laws in the past. Now I have no desire to do so. Why is that so strange. I find it strange that you think people need to break laws in order to get through life!

 

[Angelfishsolo]

The key difference is that we are allowed on some but not others. We can pontificate as much as we want as to whether we think the rule is confusing or a nonsense. The fact of the matter is that it's really that simple. Blue sign yes and no sign no!
We get pissed off with cars giving us crap yet some think it's fine to speed along foot paths where pedestrians don't expect to see us ...............

Thank you.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

i agree people should be taught not to cycle on the pavement but that is not the issue. Its the demonising of cyclists that do, especially when there is so much encouragement for people to cycle on some bits of the pavement that look in many cases less suitable for cycling on than the ones they get demonised for.

Cycle paths legal, pavements not legal. It is as simple as that. Deal with it.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

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No, it's not simple in that respect. I can give examples of pavements where cycling but there are no markings or signs.
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How do you know that cycling on these pavements is allowed? A map?

 

[Red Light]

I can not see the Photo Map on my phone but would ask why the judge would say "all but the most hardened road warriors" if it was not extremely dangerous.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

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I am now amazed by the judgement!

 

[Red Light]

I am now amazed by the judgement!

What he said about it was:

"In my judgment, this piece of road was dangerous for all but the most experienced, traffic fast, confident and dominant of cyclists i.e. the 'serious' cyclist as Mr Ibbotson puts it, as opposed to the ordinary prudent cyclist using a cycle to go to work encumbered with his cycle rucksack."

 

[Angelfishsolo]

What he said about it was:

"In my judgment, this piece of road was dangerous for all but the most experienced, traffic fast, confident and dominant of cyclists i.e. the 'serious' cyclist as Mr Ibbotson puts it, as opposed to the ordinary prudent cyclist using a cycle to go to work encumbered with his cycle rucksack."

Well clearly this learned man knows a huge amount about cyclists and their mode of dress and storeage solutions.

 

[gaz]

that isn't a dangerous road. several lanes at 70mph is a dangerous road and one i would consider cycling on the pavement if there were no other options.