snailracer
Über Member
Or, us cyclists couldn't break as many laws as motorists do, with such risk to life and limb, even if we ignored every law on the books that applied to us.
who are pavements for?
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Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
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Would you enter an ASL with no entry point on a red light?
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I have never come across one TBH. By definition an Advanced Stop Line is provided for cyclists safety so no entry point to said ASL seems most unusual.
Would you enter an ASL with no entry point on a red light?
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I have never come across one TBH. By definition an Advanced Stop Line is provided for cyclists safety so no entry point to said ASL seems most unusual.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
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So the government recognise that in some situations pavement cycling is appropriate and advocate it, but you don't advocate this to your students? Who are you representing?
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In Wales pavement cycling is not advocated rather a blind eye may be turned. As I teach adults I feel it appropriate to provide the relevent information but not actively encourage it. I am an independant teaching the CTC's National Standards sylibus.
So the government recognise that in some situations pavement cycling is appropriate and advocate it, but you don't advocate this to your students? Who are you representing?
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In Wales pavement cycling is not advocated rather a blind eye may be turned. As I teach adults I feel it appropriate to provide the relevent information but not actively encourage it. I am an independant teaching the CTC's National Standards sylibus.
rowan 46
Über Member
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- birmingham
I would hope that people condemn drivers and cyclists for doing dangerous things and not just because they are breaking the law. A responsible cyclist harms no one and I would argue the same for drivers. I don't have a problem with drivers. I have a problem with inconsiderate drivers and the same for cyclists. it is possible to ride on the pavement and be safe the police don't mind as long as you are careful and considerate, the public don't appear to mind as long as you behave respectfully and considerately. Where I agree with you is that fools who have no consideration for others shouldn't be on the road or pavement. This is not a cycling issue it's general society. there are some who wherever they go or whatever they drive are inconsiderate bullies dangerous to others and caring only of their own needs. These people are not figureheads for drivers,cyclists or any other group just nasty people deserving of our contempt. A person who behaves inconsiderately on a road endangers others around them a cyclist who behaves considerately on a footpath endangers noone
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
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There are plenty, so much so that Boris was trying to get the law changed a while ago.
Would you enter?
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I would hold primary but no I would not enter.
There are plenty, so much so that Boris was trying to get the law changed a while ago.
Would you enter?
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I would hold primary but no I would not enter.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
I would rather stay the right side of the law than rely on discression.
snailracer
Über Member
Huh? Well, never mind then.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
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You have a very different view of cycling to me.
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Wouldn't it be a boring world if we all thought the same way!
You have a very different view of cycling to me.
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Wouldn't it be a boring world if we all thought the same way!
rowan 46
Über Member
- Location
- birmingham
A fair point, I don't hold your point of view in this respect, but its perfectly legitimate
ClichéGuevara
Legendary Member
- Location
- Kingston upon the River Hull
I'm somewhere in the middle on this.
There are times when I genuinely believe it is safer and beneficial to others for me to go against the letter of the law, and some courts and enforcement officers seem to accept this and apply common sense.
I'm sure there're are other ways of looking at any examples given, but I'll have a bash and am open to suggestion if I'm wrong.
I live on a narrow street, just over three cars wide with cars parked either side taking it to one lane, so no room for a car and a cycle to pass each other.
I do ride down the road but it's not unknown for me to go onto the path when it's busy as do many other cyclists rather than confuse oncoming vehicles. I give priority to pedestrians, who are aware that cycles are liable to be on the path. Yes, I could walk, but in all honesty, would you walk or cycle half a mile?
Where I side with Angelfish is when he's teaching. If someone is taught the correct and proper way, that will be their default and they'll not only be aware when they're outside of this, but should naturally default to it whenever they're in a pressure situation.
Breaking the law shouldn't necessarily be seen as breaking the rules, but it should be the exception rather than the norm in my opinion.
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There are times when I genuinely believe it is safer and beneficial to others for me to go against the letter of the law, and some courts and enforcement officers seem to accept this and apply common sense.
I'm sure there're are other ways of looking at any examples given, but I'll have a bash and am open to suggestion if I'm wrong.
I live on a narrow street, just over three cars wide with cars parked either side taking it to one lane, so no room for a car and a cycle to pass each other.
I do ride down the road but it's not unknown for me to go onto the path when it's busy as do many other cyclists rather than confuse oncoming vehicles. I give priority to pedestrians, who are aware that cycles are liable to be on the path. Yes, I could walk, but in all honesty, would you walk or cycle half a mile?
Where I side with Angelfish is when he's teaching. If someone is taught the correct and proper way, that will be their default and they'll not only be aware when they're outside of this, but should naturally default to it whenever they're in a pressure situation.
Breaking the law shouldn't necessarily be seen as breaking the rules, but it should be the exception rather than the norm in my opinion.
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Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
Thank youA fair point, I don't hold your point of view in this respect, but its perfectly legitimate
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
Your example is a good one. As my neck of the woods is made up of hellishly narrow streets I am used to this. I would act as I would in a car and give way until I can claim the road. I appreciate others would do diffent and feel this is where discretion comes into play.
Thank you for your support of my teaching methods.
Not extreme at all. This is where he was riding on the pavement and where the judge said it was reasonable for all but the most hardened road warriors to ride on there to avoid the road.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
I can not see the Photo Map on my phone but would ask why the judge would say "all but the most hardened road warriors" if it was not extremely dangerous.
Yep, Angelfishsolo is an incredible human being who never breaks any laws whatsoever.
