Where have all the anti-vaxxers gone?

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Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Now, if it were Vernon Levy, that would be different
A true man of science for whom 3.142 was a constant.....
 
One of the problems comes when someone who an expect in 1 specific field start commenting on a different field

especially if the second field is similar to his/her expertise - or looks that way to an outsider - so they look genuine but actually are not an expert at all in the new field
 

lazybloke

Priest of the cult of Chris Rea
Location
Leafy Surrey
We will never scientifically know for sure. I doubt those figures are accurate. Many have died from flu/pneumonia & been recorded for Covid.
It is scientific fact when a death is recorded as being "within x days of a positive Covid test".
A positive PCR test is scientific fact. We can argue about accuracy of figures and test results- no measure is perfect - but they have been shown to be highly accurate.

You fail to realise that pneumonia is the most common mechanism by which Covid progresses, and indeed is responsible for those familiar symptoms of cough, fever, inflamed lungs and reduced oxygen saturation.
Other infections can also cause pneumonia, but if a highly accurate test shows that covid is present, what is your motivation to look for fanciful other reasons?

As for flu, just take a glance at the historical record and you'll see that covid deaths are far greater than flu deaths in recent years. You can also see the very significant benefit from when flu jabs commenced. Bear in mind that flu jabs have been offered to a much wider age range in the last two winters; flu is not the bogeyman that you suggest.

Covid causes massive issues for countries around the world. Yes, it's often mild, but significant percentages suffer stronger symptoms.
Staff absence affects all workplaces, particularly medical settings. Recovery can take weeks.
Long Covid can last months or be permanent.
Death is fairly permanent!
Also consider the impact on other NHS treatments, the extending waiting lists, the long waits for an ambulance.

All of these problems are significantly reduced by taking simple precautions and accepting occasional jabs.
All of these problems are exacerbated by the idiotic opinions of nutters who deny Covid.
 

Johnno260

Veteran
Location
East Sussex
One of the problems comes when someone who an expect in 1 specific field start commenting on a different field

especially if the second field is similar to his/her expertise - or looks that way to an outsider - so they look genuine but actually are not an expert at all in the new field

Some people see Dr and assume medical Dr.

I have seen people with doctorates in economics comment on virology issues, or in the USA some chiropractors have Dr in their title.
 

Johnno260

Veteran
Location
East Sussex
I seem to remember a similar list a few years ago regarding climate change deniers, easily debunked due to the inclusion of Piers Effing Corbyn.

Piers we need more CO2 Corbyn!
 

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winjim

Smash the cistern
One of the problems comes when someone who an expect in 1 specific field start commenting on a different field

especially if the second field is similar to his/her expertise - or looks that way to an outsider - so they look genuine but actually are not an expert at all in the new field
The more qualified I get, the less confident I am commenting on matters within my own field, never mind without it.


(I passed my MSc by the way, for anyone who's been following, and supportive. I guess I can now call myself a clinical biochemist, although not yet a clinical scientist, that's a protected title and should come later in the year)
 
It’s his human right to make that choice.
Along with rights come both responsibilities and consequences upon exercising them.

What we are seeing here is a toddler in adult form having a tantrum because the exercising of what the toddler perceives as his rights, has had unexpected and unwanted (to the toddler) consequences.
No Dr Who, Dr Seuss or Dr No either :whistle:
I think the advice on C-19 from any of those three would be significantly more useful than that from many of those titled 'Dr' on the list we're talking of! At least the advice from Dr Seuss'd be in rhyme and entertaining ...
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
Here you go & you can cross check all the information is correct.
There are two Nobel Peace Prize winners and one nominee on this list who are against the vaX.

Dr. Michael Yeadon (Former Pfizer VP)
Dr. Robert Malone (mRNA inventor)
Dr. Peter McCullough (most published on CV)
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko (Nobel PP Nominee)
Dr. Rima Laibow
Dr. Naomi Wolf
Dr. David Martin
Dr. Luc Montainger
Dr. Roger Hodkinson
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
Dr. Judy Mitkovitz
Dr. Carrie Madej
Dr. Vernon Coleman
Dr. Ben Tapper
Dr. Michael Lake
Dr. Christiane Northrop
Dr. Simone Gold
Dr. Sean Brooks
Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai
Dr. Jane Ruby
Dr. Ryan Cole
Dr. Kevin Stillwagon
Dr. Afzal Niaz
Dr. Rashid A.Buttar
Dr. Paul Thomas
Dr. Vanessa Passov
Dr. Jessica Rose
Dr. Christopher Rake
Dr. Charles Hoffe
Dr. Mark Mcdonald
Dr. Jeff Barke
Dr. Andrew Kaufman
Dr. Manuel Alonso
Dr. Amir Shahar
Dr. Patrick Phillips
Dr. Bryan Ardis
Dr. Franc Zalewski
Dr. Daniel Griffin
Dr. Zandra Botha
Dr. Rochagné Kilian
Dr. Joseph Mercola
Dr. James Lyons-Weiler
Dr. Henry Ealy
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya
Dr. Michael Palmer
Dr. Eddy Bettermann MD
Dr. Harvey Risch
Dr. Steven Hotze
Dr. Dan Stock
Dr. Sam Duby
Dr. Francis Christian
Dr. Chris Milburn
Dr. John Carpay
Dr. Richard Fleming
Dr. Gina Gold
Dr. Kevin Corbett
Dr. Michael Mcdowell
Dr. John Witcher
Dr. Jim Meehan
Dr. Chris Shaw
Dr. Anne McCloskey
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich
Dr. Christiana Parks
Dr. Robert Young
Dr. Amandha Vollmer
Dr. Judy Wilyman
Dr. Michael McConville
Dr. Stella Immanuel
Dr. James Nellenschwander
Dr. Julie Ponesse
Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi
Dr. Paul Cottrell
Dr. Lee Merritt
Dr. Rochagne Killian
Dr. Larry Palevsky
Dr. Natalia Prego Cancelo
Dr. Hilde de Smet
Dr. Elizabeth Evans
Dr. Brian Hooker
Dr. Joel Hirschhorn
Dr. R. Zac Cox
Dr. Mohammed Adil
Dr. Ralph ER Sundberg
Dr. Johan Denis
Dr. Daniel Cullum
Dr. Anne Fierlafijin
Dr. Kevin Corbett
Dr. Pior Rubis
Dr. Pascal Sacre
Dr. Nicole Delepine
Dr. Lorraine Day
Dr. Yoav Yehezkelli
Dr. Nour De San
Dr. Kelly Brogan
Dr. Hervé Seligmann
Dr. Annie Bukacek
Dr. Mark Brody
Dr. Steven LaTulippe
Dr. Mark Trozzi
Dr. Scott Jensen
Dr. Byram W. Bridle
Dr. Andrew Wakefield
Dr. Larry Palevsky
Dr. Tom Cowan
Dr. Dan Erickson
Dr. James Todaro
Dr. Joe Lapado
Dr. Richard Bartlett
Dr. Ben Edwards
Dr. Pierre Kory
Dr. Heather Gessling
Dr. Bryan Tyson
Dr. Richard Urso
Dr. John Littell
Dr. Scott Jensen
Dr. Ben Carson
Dr. Peter Schirmacher
Dr. Zandra Botha
Dr. Pamela Popper
Dr. Tom Barnett
Dr. Theresa Long
Dr. Nancy Burks
Dr. Russel Blaylock
Dr. Shiv Chopra
Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Dr. Tori Bark
Dr. Meryl Nass
Dr. Raymond Obamsawin
Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot
Dr. Robert Rowen
Dr. David Ayoub
Dr. Boyd Hailey
Dr. Roby Mitchell
Dr. Ken Stoller
Dr. Mayer Eiesenstien
Dr. Frank Engley
Dr. David Davis
Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych
Dr. Harold Butram
Dr. Kelly Brogan
Dr. RC Tent
Dr. Rebecca Carley
Dr. Andrew Moulden
Dr. Jack Wolfson
Dr. Michael Elice
Dr. Terry Wahls
Dr. Paul Thomas
Dr. Stephanie Seneff
Dr. Richard Moskowitz
Dr. Jane Orient
Dr. Richard Deth
Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic
Dr. Chris Shaw
Dr. Susan McCreadie
Dr. May Ann Block
Dr. David Brownstein
Dr. Jayne Donegan
Dr. Troy Ross
Dr. Phillip Incao
Dr. Robert Mendelson
Dr. Theressa Deisher
Dr. Sam Eggertsen
Dr. Peter Doshi
Dr. Shankara Chetty
Dr. Elizabeth Eads
Dr. Kurt Malhom
Dr. Carolyn Bosack
Dr. Heiko Shoning
Dr. Aseem Malhotra
Dr. Patricia Lee
Dr. Daniel Nagase
Dr. Mobeen Syed
Dr. Bruce Patterson
Dr. Randi Juanta
Dr. Phillip McMillan
Dr. Peter Gotzche
Dr. Kurt Malholm
Dr. Sam Sigoloff
Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Dr. Ariyana Love
Dr. Pierre Gilbert
Dr. Nathan Thompson
Dr. Scott Youngblood
Dr. Peterson Pierre
Dr. Darell Wolfe
Dr. Mary Tally Bowden
Dr. Thomas Ynges
Dr. Guido Hofmann
Dr. Anne Mcclosky
Dr. James Grundvig
Dr. Amanda Vollmer
Dr. Kevin Stillwagon
Dr. Luis Miguel de Benito
Dr. Bruce Boros
Dr. Steven Gundry
Dr. Ray Page
Dr. Tess Lawrie
Dr. Andreas Noack
Dr. Mark Hobart
Dr. Peter Campbell
Dr. Peter Johnston
Dr. Eric Nepute
Dr. Bradley Campbell
Dr. Joseph Yi
Dr Robert Morse ND
Dr Piotr Witczak (biolog)
Dr Jerzy Jaskowski
Dr H.Czerniak
Dr. Anna Martynowska
Prof. Dolores Cahill
Prof. Retsif Levi
Prof. Maria Majewska- neurobiology
Have you checked those all names for actually being against the vaccinations or copy and pasted a list you found on a social media post ?
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
The more qualified I get, the less confident I am commenting on matters within my own field, never mind without it.


(I passed my MSc by the way, for anyone who's been following, and supportive. I guess I can now call myself a clinical biochemist, although not yet a clinical scientist, that's a protected title and should come later in the year)
Many congratulations!! That’s great news :smile:
 

Mr Celine

Discordian
It’s funny how our PM tells lie after lie, his party are always breaking their own rules yet you lot nod your heads to everything they publish. What ever though, I’ll enjoy my Covid week off work even though it’s a mild winter sniffle that makes 2 lines appear on a horse $h1t LFT. Free money for riding on Zwift & going for country walks. Nice.
Our PM is completely amoral, unlike the vast majority of medical doctors.
There are of course rogue members of all professions and your list includes many rogue or discredited medics. I'm only surprised Harold Shipman isn't on it.
 
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