Where have all the anti-vaxxers gone?

[ebikeerwidnes]

Problem is they are taking pills designed for sheep and horses
doses vary a lot between different species - so a sheep may look about the size of a man but as they systems are different the doses may be totally different

but people are taking pills for Horses - a way bigger animal - and in this case it requires a much bigger does but they are just taking the pill as is

so - Yes - they could take the human pills - but there is a shortage so they are finding a supplier from the good old WWW
hence the potential problems
and actual problems - lots of cases of poisoning reported by A&E departments

 

[Johnno260]

You're all being rather negative about Ivermectin. Are there studies which show it is harmful if taken in human dose quantities? Clearly it would be sensible to use medicine designed and produced for human consumption but that can only be obtained on prescription, hence people reaching out for product designed for animals (assumed to be at lower quality and certainly low assurance).
Are there studies which show it has prophylactic benefit (ie Norah's "preventive" (sic)) against COVID-19? None of any quality - because people have been refused funding to do any, probably because there seems no likelihood that there would be benefit (so would be difficult to get through the ethics committee (for human testing).
There are many other 'anti-vaxx static targets to fire at: no need to fire at moving ones. Providing people don't overdose themselves there is little harm other than levels of side effect similar to many other regularly consumed medical drugs. There might be a placebo effect.

The only one I’m aware of was found wanting, It was withdrawn with serious concerns:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....vid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

My main issue with what I found today was the post I linked, it’s basically blackmailing someone to make choices that suit themselves, I don’t even think it’s an education issue, I don’t know how people can think those kind of things and claim it’s research.

It carries a weight of shame as I know family members who spread this kind of junk.

 

[classic33]

Problem is they are taking pills designed for sheep and horses
doses vary a lot between different species - so a sheep may look about the size of a man but as they systems are different the doses may be totally different

but people are taking pills for Horses - a way bigger animal - and in this case it requires a much bigger does but they are just taking the pill as is

so - Yes - they could take the human pills - but there is a shortage so they are finding a supplier from the good old WWW
hence the potential problems
and actual problems - lots of cases of poisoning reported by A&E departments

The way they are taken/administered are different as well. It tends to be daily dose for a human, a one-off dose for an animal.

 

[KnittyNorah]

You're all being rather negative about Ivermectin. Are there studies which show it is harmful if taken in human dose quantities? Clearly it would be sensible to use medicine designed and produced for human consumption but that can only be obtained on prescription, hence people reaching out for product designed for animals (assumed to be at lower quality and certainly low assurance).
Are there studies which show it has prophylactic benefit (ie Norah's "preventive" (sic)) against COVID-19? None of any quality - because people have been refused funding to do any, probably because there seems no likelihood that there would be benefit (so would be difficult to get through the ethics committee (for human testing).
There are many other 'anti-vaxx static targets to fire at: no need to fire at moving ones. Providing people don't overdose themselves there is little harm other than levels of side effect similar to many other regularly consumed medical drugs. There might be a placebo effect.

I do agree with you, really - but I also think that fact that fervent belief in what we know as 'horse wormer', 'sheep wormer' and the like makes the devotion of anti-vaxxers an even easier target to poke fun at.
Ivermectin is a very important medical and veterinary pharmaceutical, which I hope I have made clear, but I'm sorry, it is a black comedy that desperate unvaccinated people, sometimes in extremis, should be demanding, and buying up, horse wormer in such quantities as to apparently affect availability for its approved - and very necessary - use, at least in some areas.
I can only hope - for their own wellbeing - that they are buying the 'right' type of wormer - and not some of the others which are used for animals, and that they can do the fairly simple maths to work out a non-dangerous dosage for themselves.

I actually think that poking fun directly at anti-vaxxers is counter-productive - we should be inviting them to explain themselves (which IME they can't), asking them rational questions (to which IME they can't give rational answers) and providing them with very simple and irrefutable logical answers and reasons why - I've done this previously elsewhere on t'interwebz and by gum it's like swimming through treacle and I have little patience for it any more! Lizards and tunnels ...

 

[Johnno260]

I do agree with you, really - but I also think that fact that fervent belief in what we know as 'horse wormer', 'sheep wormer' and the like makes the devotion of anti-vaxxers an even easier target to poke fun at.
Ivermectin is a very important medical and veterinary pharmaceutical, which I hope I have made clear, but I'm sorry, it is a black comedy that desperate unvaccinated people, sometimes in extremis, should be demanding, and buying up, horse wormer in such quantities as to apparently affect availability for its approved - and very necessary - use, at least in some areas.
I can only hope - for their own wellbeing - that they are buying the 'right' type of wormer - and not some of the others which are used for animals, and that they can do the fairly simple maths to work out a non-dangerous dosage for themselves.

I actually think that poking fun directly at anti-vaxxers is counter-productive - we should be inviting them to explain themselves (which IME they can't), asking them rational questions (to which IME they can't give rational answers) and providing them with very simple and irrefutable logical answers and reasons why - I've done this previously elsewhere on t'interwebz and by gum it's like swimming through treacle and I have little patience for it any more! Lizards and tunnels ...

Well it must be bad in the USA if the FDA are having to release articles about it:

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

like you said trying to engage people and explain things can be difficult, especially when they maintain some random source on bitchute is legitimate, making claims like the vaccine is 99.9% Graphene, or it’s HIV, to its fetal material.

Many are also saying all medical trained people are nothing more than indoctrinated puppets so can’t be trusted, Kate Shemirani’s last few speeches echo this and people like her have thousands who hang off her every word.

I have used peer reviewed articles and proper resources and get called a clown and an idiot, it’s why I will miss threads like the Covid Vaccine and Outbreak it grounded sensible information in an age of misinformation.

 

[Edwardoka]

You're all being rather negative about Ivermectin. Are there studies which show it is harmful if taken in human dose quantities? Clearly it would be sensible to use medicine designed and produced for human consumption but that can only be obtained on prescription, hence people reaching out for product designed for animals (assumed to be at lower quality and certainly low assurance).
Are there studies which show it has prophylactic benefit (ie Norah's "preventive" (sic)) against COVID-19? None of any quality - because people have been refused funding to do any, probably because there seems no likelihood that there would be benefit (so would be difficult to get through the ethics committee (for human testing).
There are many other 'anti-vaxx static targets to fire at: no need to fire at moving ones. Providing people don't overdose themselves there is little harm other than levels of side effect similar to many other regularly consumed medical drugs. There might be a placebo effect.

I heard that injecting UV light and bleach kills it dead in a minute. Under a minute. Can you believe that? We should get onto that.
Also we should investigate the properties of hydrochloroquine as a treatment.

Back here in reality where most of us live, there's a word for alternative medicine that actually works; that word is "medicine".

As for the placebo effect... the placebo effect is significantly worse than neutral where transmittable diseases are involved.
Someone eats a sugar pill/bleach/horse dewormer, declares "I feel better already" then goes around infecting everyone they come into contact with.

No. Just, no.

Edit: removed statistical term from a statement that does not involve quantities

 

[slowmotion]

I think it's got past the stage where there is any point indulging or trying to persuade them. Even after 20 months they are still fervently embracing wilful stupidity. Thin out the herd by culling yourselves....by all means, but people's patience has worn thin. Here's a recent article from the Atlantic. Grotesque irresponsibility towards your fellow citizens should come at a price.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...refusers-hesitancy-mandates-fda-delta/619918/

 

[cookiemonster]

http://uk.yahoo.com/news/anti-vaxxer-nonsense-rant-171033909.html


*sigh*

 

[Johnno260]

I think it's got past the stage where there is any point indulging or trying to persuade them. Even after 20 months they are still fervently embracing wilful stupidity. Thin out the herd by culling yourselves....by all means, but people's patience has worn thin. Here's a recent article from the Atlantic. Grotesque irresponsibility towards your fellow citizens should come at a price.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...refusers-hesitancy-mandates-fda-delta/619918/

Thing is they can’t see their own behaviour, and blame vaccinated people for their woes.

From a personal perspective I was uninvited from a wedding for being vaccinated, they didn’t want to be infected via viral shedding, this same relative is now complaining daily that the epidemic is being divisive, when in fact the only person who has created divides is themselves, but as usual they take no accountability.

Also calling my wife vile names as she is a nurse hasn’t helped their case with me, they have compared her to everything from Harold Shipman to certain bad guys in WW2, they can’t see what’s wrong with their words and it’s acceptable to speak this way in their mind

It’s the same with many of these people it’s the governments fault, it’s big pharmas fault and of course it’s always Bill Gates fault.

The other theme I see is anyone with a degree of wealth seems to be somehow responsible, it comes across as petty jealousy.

http://uk.yahoo.com/news/anti-vaxxer-nonsense-rant-171033909.html
*sigh*

She gets many views, and again people hang off her every word yet in many cases she gets things wrong and reads documents wrong.

I’m not saying I understand medical documentation all the time but I’m in a lucky and privileged position to have friends/family I can ask, also people here on this forum do fantastic breakdowns of information.

She falls into the category of the person I linked above who claims “skin to skin inhalation” if all else fails lie and make things up.

 

[stowie]

I saw my first anti-vax stickers on the way to the tube yesterday.

I cannot remember the exact wording, but it was along the lines of "Wear a mask - Do what they say and be controlled".

I wondered who "they" were. And how wearing a mask allowed "them" to control me. If "they" are the government then they have far easier and more direct methods of control. Doing it via some psy-ops involving masks seems unnecessarily complicated and rather prone to failure.

 

[Johnno260]

I saw my first anti-vax stickers on the way to the tube yesterday.

I cannot remember the exact wording, but it was along the lines of "Wear a mask - Do what they say and be controlled".

I wondered who "they" were. And how wearing a mask allowed "them" to control me. If "they" are the government then they have far easier and more direct methods of control. Doing it via some psy-ops involving masks seems unnecessarily complicated and rather prone to failure.

Spot on, they don't recognize convoluted and complex is usually a total failure.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

I did see a post somewhere where someone had some pre made stickers which said
"There was an anti mask poster here but I have covered it with this nice picture of a dog" or something like that
there was also a cat one

I was thinking ot trying to get hold of some - but I have only seen on 'plan demic' poster around here - and it peeled of the seat without too much trouble

 

[Johnno260]

These are the ones people tried to hand to me, I have seen them on walls etc so I pull them down and throw them in a bin.

 

[fossyant]

Well yesterday, someone asking for a non-vaxxer if they needed to be in work as they were higher risk. I just smiled. Fark off, get into work, you don't believe in vax, so why should you be worried about a bug that doesn't exist !

There will, unfortunately, be quite a few less of them around in the next 12 months. I say 'unfortunately' as it's not a nice way to die, getting covid, or poisoning yourself.

 

[Edwardoka]

Well yesterday, someone asking for a non-vaxxer if they needed to be in work as they were higher risk. I just smiled. Fark off, get into work, you don't believe in vax, so why should you be worried about a bug that doesn't exist !

There will, unfortunately, be quite a few less of them around in the next 12 months. I say 'unfortunately' as it's not a nice way to die, getting covid, or poisoning yourself.

It's quite sad really, recently there's been several prominent anti-vax covid truthers catching it and then dying.

If, prior to dying, they recant, they are cast into the abyss and disowned by the anti-vax covid truther movement.

If they don't recant, the true believers instead pivot to believing that there's a very sinister and wide-ranging conspiracy to kill all the prominent anti-vax covid truthers, rather than it being them dying of a highly transmissable disease that has been running rampant for a year and a half now.

At some point, you'd think that a glimmer of introspection would occur, or that Occam's Razor would kick in, but no.

I genuinely fear what the future holds. Not for me, but for my nieces and nephew. It really does feel like we're entering a dark age.