What film did you watch last night?
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AndyRM
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How? Living Daylights and License to Kill are two of the best Bond films, and Dalton's portrayal is closest to the character.
I watched it. I think Gerrard Butler has onluy ever made one film. They just change the name, add or remove a few outtakes and ... new film.
Ian
Well, we took the kids (I say kids, they are 18 and 16!) to see the new live action Snow White and the Seven CGI rendered politically correct creatures.
We all enjoyed it to varying degrees. My wife really liked it, as did my older daughter. Younger daughter found some bits a bit eye-rolling.
For my part, you can see where they have tried to faithfully capture what was in the original film (e.g. the cutesy story book opening and the costumes / sets for the villagers), but that's part of where the problem lies for me. The original film hasn't aged well, and this is a story that really needs a much more creative re-telling. You can almost hear the conversations from the showrunners -
"let's not do dwarf actors as dwarfs..
but what if we cast a dwarf actor as the voice of one of the dwarfs?
Oh and we need to drop the handsome prince narrative and give Snow some agency - so lets make the prince the same as in Rapunzel except that they don't get married in the movie.
Hey ! I know - lets give the bandit / future prince a robin hood vibe and give him some merry men?
Cool -yes we could do seven merry people - we need to be inclusive here.?
OH! We make one of them a DWARF actor - OMG!
Yes! - and wouldn't it be cool for diversity if we have a romance between the dwarf merry man and one of the black merry women thus illustrating both interracial relationships and equality for disability!
What about the prince snogging a corpse aspect? Anyone? Anyone?
Let's put that on hold - I don't think we can have Snow doing the sweeping and cleaning for the dwarfs.
How about we do a Mary Poppins on her and she makes them do the cleaning!?"
The other problem is with the volume of rewrites. In the original the Evil Queen is well aware that there is an antidote to her poison apple (true loves kiss) and plans that Snow White will be buried before that can happen. It's the forest animals and dwarfs who chase the Queen off causing her to fall to her death from the cliff, and then place Snow White in a glass coffin as she appears to be in eternal sleep, before the Prince visits the following spring and gives her the old snog. The prince is barely in the original film.
In our new version however Snow White storms the palace with the villagers in tow, becoming the head of a village revolution. It's never quite clear why a king only rules over about 200 people. It's a VERY small kingdom. Although just as in the Harry Potter Video Game, this village is INCREDIBLY popular with world travelers having residents from every country on the planet.
The new songs are mostly OK although I wasn't that keen on Gal Gadot's singing and many of the songs again feel committee designed "look we need it to be a bit Frozen and a bit Tangled, we need a fixer upper type number and a let it go type anthem?". The new songs don't really fit with the old, although most of the old songs are dumped. There is a revamp of Hi Ho to advertise the mine train at Disneyland and a badly rewritten version of Whistle While you Work where the authors seem to have failed to realise there is a rhyme scheme.
There is a great review in Vanity Fair where they essentially say that if this were a made for TV movie for Disney Channel, everyone would think it was great. As a $350 million movie it's a bit underwhelming.
We all enjoyed it to varying degrees. My wife really liked it, as did my older daughter. Younger daughter found some bits a bit eye-rolling.
For my part, you can see where they have tried to faithfully capture what was in the original film (e.g. the cutesy story book opening and the costumes / sets for the villagers), but that's part of where the problem lies for me. The original film hasn't aged well, and this is a story that really needs a much more creative re-telling. You can almost hear the conversations from the showrunners -
"let's not do dwarf actors as dwarfs..
but what if we cast a dwarf actor as the voice of one of the dwarfs?
Oh and we need to drop the handsome prince narrative and give Snow some agency - so lets make the prince the same as in Rapunzel except that they don't get married in the movie.
Hey ! I know - lets give the bandit / future prince a robin hood vibe and give him some merry men?
Cool -yes we could do seven merry people - we need to be inclusive here.?
OH! We make one of them a DWARF actor - OMG!
Yes! - and wouldn't it be cool for diversity if we have a romance between the dwarf merry man and one of the black merry women thus illustrating both interracial relationships and equality for disability!
What about the prince snogging a corpse aspect? Anyone? Anyone?
Let's put that on hold - I don't think we can have Snow doing the sweeping and cleaning for the dwarfs.
How about we do a Mary Poppins on her and she makes them do the cleaning!?"
The other problem is with the volume of rewrites. In the original the Evil Queen is well aware that there is an antidote to her poison apple (true loves kiss) and plans that Snow White will be buried before that can happen. It's the forest animals and dwarfs who chase the Queen off causing her to fall to her death from the cliff, and then place Snow White in a glass coffin as she appears to be in eternal sleep, before the Prince visits the following spring and gives her the old snog. The prince is barely in the original film.
In our new version however Snow White storms the palace with the villagers in tow, becoming the head of a village revolution. It's never quite clear why a king only rules over about 200 people. It's a VERY small kingdom. Although just as in the Harry Potter Video Game, this village is INCREDIBLY popular with world travelers having residents from every country on the planet.
The new songs are mostly OK although I wasn't that keen on Gal Gadot's singing and many of the songs again feel committee designed "look we need it to be a bit Frozen and a bit Tangled, we need a fixer upper type number and a let it go type anthem?". The new songs don't really fit with the old, although most of the old songs are dumped. There is a revamp of Hi Ho to advertise the mine train at Disneyland and a badly rewritten version of Whistle While you Work where the authors seem to have failed to realise there is a rhyme scheme.
There is a great review in Vanity Fair where they essentially say that if this were a made for TV movie for Disney Channel, everyone would think it was great. As a $350 million movie it's a bit underwhelming.
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My thoughts on the subjective subject. There is a theory that the "best" is the one you grew up with. Anyway...
Connery was the best but definitely of its time, and that time has gone. Not aged well.
Moore was too light. Bordering parody.
Dalton was too serious and lacking charisma. Serious is fine but he needed charisma.
Brosnan tried to get to Connery level with some success but too much silliness.
Craig was my favourite. Had the edginess but with comedic touches to lighten it up.
AndyRM
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Has any Bond "aged well"? He's a damaged and deeply flawed character. Dalton recognised that which is why he's spot on.
seanoconn
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Agree on all points. Connery’s Bond held up well for years but it’s dated now. Craig had all the elements of a great Bond nailed, physicality, arrogance, charisma, vulnerability and a very dry sense of humour.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
I watched the made for TV movie of The Sign of Four with Ian Richardson as Sherlock Holmes. It was OK, but it's a silly story with a one legged baddie with small "savage" sidekick. So not the best story to start off with.
Richardson played Bill Haydon in the Alec Guinness Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I just couldn't see him as Holmes. I kept shouting "he's the mole!".
All in all a bit meh.
Richardson played Bill Haydon in the Alec Guinness Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I just couldn't see him as Holmes. I kept shouting "he's the mole!".
All in all a bit meh.
I addressed that in my summary. Playing it serious is fine but Dalton lacked charisma. That fault makes his films a bit meh.
Anyway, it is all just personal opinions that amount to diddly squat.
potsy
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Well I'm going to watch Marching Powder next week so will report back
Well it was as expected, lots of swearing, violence, drug taking.
A few laughs, better than expected acting
Maybe not the best choice for a date night but quite fun.
Tail End Charlie
Well, write it down boy ......
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I watched "Death of Stalin" which I have seen twice before, but it's a great film and bears re-watching. Picked up on several things I had missed on previous viewings.
seanoconn
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The Monkey
Had hopes for this, evil toy monkey and buckets of gore, what’s not to like? Turns out not much. Felt like a bit of a Final destination rip off and a film that was meant to be longer but chopped down to a mercifully short 90mins just to be barely palatable. Not the casts fault, just a poor movie. 6.2 IMDb is flattering.
Had hopes for this, evil toy monkey and buckets of gore, what’s not to like? Turns out not much. Felt like a bit of a Final destination rip off and a film that was meant to be longer but chopped down to a mercifully short 90mins just to be barely palatable. Not the casts fault, just a poor movie. 6.2 IMDb is flattering.
AndyRM
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The Tuxedo - 3/10
I remember seeing this at the cinema when it came out and enjoying how silly it was (to be fair I was 17).
It hasn't aged well, to the point where it's genuinely quite annoying. Not Jackie Chan's finest hour.
I remember seeing this at the cinema when it came out and enjoying how silly it was (to be fair I was 17).
It hasn't aged well, to the point where it's genuinely quite annoying. Not Jackie Chan's finest hour.
