Ventura cp 50 (argos)

[SteCenturion]

So far I have been fortunate in that my best bike 2012 Sintesi (sale bike) came with a £500 Ritchey WCS Zeta wheel set (which I took straight off & sold to a mate unused), the 2015 Ritcheys are approx £600.

My No2 bike, a Cube (another sale bike) came with Mavic Aksiums, entry level Mavics but still good quality, these were also taken straight off, unused & will either be sold or kept as new to put back on should I sell the Cube.

I can agree that those who are in the market for a mid to high level bike are more likely to swap out wheels to a preferred choice, I also believe that there is nothing inherently wrong with RS 501's either, in fact they are probably a strong, if relatively heavy budget wheel.

Having read owners revues of Triban wheels & those stock basic wheels on Ribbles, I would steer clear of those, even without first hand experience.

 

[AndyRM]

Firstly, why the need to swear? Why use such infantile behaviour?

And second, that's incorrect. I'm a weighty chap (ie, big and fat) and R501's aren't up to the job. Denty, bendy and prone to braking surface wear when trying to haul up a meaty lump of manliness like wot I is. The generic no-name hubbed Alex R500 rimmed replacements aren't perfect, but roll as well, weigh no more, and and the rim itself takes the punishment better, for less money.

Ergo, for the same price (or less in this case) they very much can be beaten, thus completely negating your un-evidenced and foul mouthed assertion.

Firstly, dry your eyes.

Secondly, I've ridden both, the Shimano's are fine, the Alexrims have loose spokes and a weird noise from the hub. Both sets of wheels have been given the same attention and ridden on the same roads. Obviously our experiences differ.

Have you got a link for the Alexrims wheelset? I couldn't find a price for them, but I'd be impressed if they come in cheaper than the Shimano's.

 

[Justinslow]

So far I have been fortunate in that my best bike 2012 Sintesi (sale bike) came with a £500 Ritchey WCS Zeta wheel set (which I took straight off & sold to a mate unused), the 2015 Ritcheys are approx £600.

My No2 bike, a Cube (another sale bike) came with Mavic Aksiums, entry level Mavics but still good quality, these were also taken straight off, unused & will either be sold or kept as new to put back on should I sell the Cube.

I can agree that those who are in the market for a mid to high level bike are more likely to swap out wheels to a preferred choice, I also believe that there is nothing inherently wrong with RS 501's either, in fact they are probably a strong, if relatively heavy budget wheel.

Having read owners revues of Triban wheels & those stock basic wheels on Ribbles, I would steer clear of those, even without first hand experience.

Firstly, dry your eyes.

Secondly, I've ridden both, the Shimano's are fine, the Alexrims have loose spokes and a weird noise from the hub. Both sets of wheels have been given the same attention and ridden on the same roads. Obviously our experiences differ.

Have you got a link for the Alexrims wheelset? I couldn't find a price for them, but I'd be impressed if they come in cheaper than the Shimano's.

Thanks, sensible and balanced discussion, it's not hard is it @Drago!

 

[Drago]

It's not hard, but I managed to engage in conversation without swearing or being abusive.

R501s are ok for the price and I also don't believe there's anything particularly wrong with them, but the claim made previously (and rather rudely) that they're unbreatable for the money is simply apocryphal.

If one has loose spokes on Alex rims, then whoever built the wheel needs pistol whipping - it's hardly the fault of whoever made the rim and hub now, is it?

Bottom line is I'm a heavy fat git and a rider of my fat pie-enhanced lardiness is a stern test for any cheap wheelset, and the assertion that the Shimmy 501s are the best for the price is unfounded when presented with such a challenge. That's surely not hard to grasp now, is it @Justinslow?

PS - I can't recall exactly, but think it was Evans I got them from, £65ish posted in 2013 IIRC.

 

[goody]

So what are the best value wheelset for around £70? I need a pair of wheels for my commuter and was going to buy R501's from Ribble come pay day.

 

[Cyclist33]

Carbotech k30 from merlin.

 

[Cuchilo]

So what are the best value wheelset for around £70? I need a pair of wheels for my commuter and was going to buy R501's from Ribble come pay day.

Look for someone buying a nice bike and swapping out the wheels .

 

[Justinslow]

It's not hard, but I managed to engage in conversation without swearing or being abusive.

R501s are ok for the price and I also don't believe there's anything particularly wrong with them, but the claim made previously (and rather rudely) that they're unbreatable for the money is simply apocryphal.

If one has loose spokes on Alex rims, then whoever built the wheel needs pistol whipping - it's hardly the fault of whoever made the rim and hub now, is it?

Bottom line is I'm a heavy fat git and a rider of my fat pie-enhanced lardiness is a stern test for any cheap wheelset, and the assertion that the Shimmy 501s are the best for the price is unfounded when presented with such a challenge. That's surely not hard to grasp now, is it @Justinslow?

PS - I can't recall exactly, but think it was Evans I got them from, £65ish posted in 2013 IIRC.

I never said they were best for the price! You missed my whole point altogether! I just said they were fitted on other bikes aswell as the cp50. I'm well aware they are not a "high level" component.
I think maybe your "dairylea" comment was just a little bit too smarmy as has been proved by your complete about turn as you now say they are quote -"ok for the price I also don't think there's anything particularly wrong with them", why didn't you just say that earlier instead of making yourself look a little foolish trying to be clever.
I couldn't give a monkeys whether someone thinks they are crap, they are absolutely fine under my 75kg after nearly 1000 miles on pot hole strewn roads and they are also fitted to bikes costing 3 times as much as the cp50, fact.

 

[Justinslow]

Carbotech k30 from merlin.

Ooh I like them !

 

[AndyRM]

It's not hard, but I managed to engage in conversation without swearing or being abusive.

R501s are ok for the price and I also don't believe there's anything particularly wrong with them, but the claim made previously (and rather rudely) that they're unbreatable for the money is simply apocryphal.

If one has loose spokes on Alex rims, then whoever built the wheel needs pistol whipping - it's hardly the fault of whoever made the rim and hub now, is it?

Bottom line is I'm a heavy fat git and a rider of my fat pie-enhanced lardiness is a stern test for any cheap wheelset, and the assertion that the Shimmy 501s are the best for the price is unfounded when presented with such a challenge. That's surely not hard to grasp now, is it @Justinslow?

PS - I can't recall exactly, but think it was Evans I got them from, £65ish posted in 2013 IIRC.

From bollocks to pistol whipping. Very good.

And still no link to these amazing cheap wheels.

Chapeau.

 

[Cuchilo]

Your points where this ....

Justinslow said: ↑
Just spotted the R501 wheelset fitted as standard to the cp50 on a cannondale supersix Evo 105 for £1274 (sale price). If it's good enough for them etc etc......

Spotted the R501's again today in a lbs on a Da Rosa 1.5k bike.

Just enjoy your bike mate without comparing it to others

 

[Justinslow]

Your points where this ....



Just enjoy your bike mate without comparing it to others

And the de rosa for £1500!
Sorry I thought this was a FORUM, you don't have to read my posts, people are comparing stuff on here all the time!

 

[outlash]

@Justinslow 501's are pretty much the cheapest 'branded' wheels you can buy for a road bike. On a bike at the cheaper end of the spectrum, they're a bonus but manufacturers often use wheels to get their bike to a price point. They're often the first thing users change/upgrade on a bike as it's arguably the best bang for the buck upgrade. Get yourself some better wheels for your bike and you'll find out for yourself.
Yes, you find them on more expensive bikes (my brother in law's Willier Izoard for example, I've also seen them on Cannondale Evo's) but there's nothing to read into that. They're a pretty common budget wheel, that's all.

Tony.

 

[Justinslow]

I get it, I get it!
I can't believe I've read a couple of pages about how good or bad these wheels are. I never said they were terrific wheels, purely that they were fitted to other more expensive bikes as standard, I'm well aware the cp50 which when I bought it cost £400 will not have a wheelset costing a couple of hundred quid or more! I'm also well aware that some people will swap out a wheelset as soon as they buy a bike.
When I purchased my bike (and I'm happy with my bike) there was bugger all information about it anywhere, this thread changes that. If anybody else happens to be interested in the cp50 they can find this thread and read all about my and others experiences.
My observation about the wheels merely shows that they will not be buying unknown components only fitted to "cheap" bikes but infact wheels with a good reputation at the budget end of the market sometimes fitted to more expensive bikes. That is it. Read into that what you want.
One day I might mention how the Sora gearing is fitted to much more expensive Specialised (or any other brand of bike) but will probably be flamed as " everybody changes that to 105 etc etc as soon as it leaves the shop". Or the Ritchie bars, stem and seat post etc or the Jagwire cables. It's just information, somebody may find it useful, I know I would have done when I was considering buying one.

 

[Cuchilo]

Calm down tiger
Yes its a forum and other people looking to buy this bike may find the information you are giving . But its also good for those buyers to know that even though the components you mention are fitted on more expensive bikes they are not held in high regard at that price point .