Ventura cp 50 (argos)

[Cuchilo]

What makes you say they are better than the BTwin wheels ?

 

[Justinslow]

What makes you say they are better than the BTwin wheels ?

Ok fair point, I have no experience of this myself, but just about every thread I've ever read about the lower end B twin tribans (my price point) states they have wheels made of "cheese"! The Shimano R501's are definetly not made of cheese.

 

[Drago]

R501s are made of Dairylea that's been left in the sun for a week. Their only purpose at point of sale is to stop the bike dragging along the floor as the punter pushes it home.

 

[sight-pin]

Well i use both shimano 500's and btwin wheels fitted to my triban 3, speed wise they're not much difference imo, but the shimano's are much more smoother and true than the triban, I only have to spin them to see and feel that.

 

[Justinslow]

R501s are made of Dairylea that's been left in the sun for a week. Their only purpose at point of sale is to stop the bike dragging along the floor as the punter pushes it home.

<laughing> do you know how you sound? What utter tosh! If you're going to have a conversation with me about it please try to with a certain level of realism as we don't all ride round on wheels costing thousands of pounds. This isn't the first trolling response I've seen from you either.

 

[AndyRM]

R501s are made of Dairylea that's been left in the sun for a week. Their only purpose at point of sale is to stop the bike dragging along the floor as the punter pushes it home.

That is absolute bollocks.

If you're on a budget and need a solid set of wheels, the R500 cannot be beaten.

 

[Cyclist33]

That is absolute bollocks.

If you're on a budget and need a solid set of wheels, the R500 cannot be beaten.

On the other hand, the R50*1*s are awful

 

[AndyRM]

On the other hand, the R50*1*s are awful

This is something I find confusing, they appear to be the same wheels, unless I'm missing something!?

 

[Cyclist33]

This is something I find confusing, they appear to be the same wheels, unless I'm missing something!?

+1 lol

 

[Justinslow]

501's apparently have "newer better" hubs than 500's whilst still retaining the same rims marked as 500's....... I think.

 

[Rob3rt]

If I was spending 1.5k on a bike I would want it to have better wheels to start with! Seems crazy to me that a bike at that price point has wheels worth £80 ish, I agree they are nothing special but are better that some such as those fitted to the cheaper B twin models.
My point regarding this post is purely to illustrate that this bike has got some reasonable named components fitted and for the sale price that ain't too shabby IMO.

Most people would, however in the real world, better wheels mean that the bike cost would go up and it wouldn't be a £1.5k bike any more. To provide a set of wheels which reflect the rest of the components, the bike would end up being £300-500 more expensive. Now you have a near £2k bike, a price point where buyers are becoming more and more discerning and less willing to compromise, so they will not only want better wheels, but better wheels of their choice. So buyers now have to buy the £2k bike, then spend another £500 to get the wheels they want. It's now a £2.5k purchase (a little bit less by the time they sell the stock wheels on, which will sell below retail price). Or they already have a nice set of wheels and don't want to pay the premium for the set of nicer stock wheels, which they don't need and will have to sell on, at a loss. By this point the buyer realises they can probably go away and build the bike exactly as they want, down to the smallest detail for less, so, long story short, they don't buy it. To avoid this whole scenario bike manufacturers put cheap wheels on to squeeze the bike into a certain price range where it will sell.

 

[Justinslow]

Yeah but if you bought that bike and knew what you were doing you would end up buying new wheels and still spending 2k not 1.5k so ending up in the same place as if the bike had better wheels to start with although not your choice, I do understand your point though. However my point was not how good or bad R501's are, it was merely pointing out to anyone interested that they are fitted as standard to other bikes all costing a lot more than the Ventura cp50. So if anyone is interested in buying the cp50 they are not getting some "no name" Chinese copy but a reasonably well renowned basic wheelset ( although not by @Drago) in some cases fitted to bikes at a much higher price point. I wonder what the wheels are like on carrera's, the tribans already mentioned, merlins and cheap felts etc etc.

 

[Cyclist33]

On the other hand I would much rather have a bike where the quality bit of the budget had been assigned to better wheels than a better groupset.

 

[youngoldbloke]

Maybe this is why Rose and Canyon are becoming so popular, for example the Rose Pro SL at just over £800 - alloy frame with full 11 speed 105, Aksium wheels and Ritchey finishing kit. or if you want to spend around £ 1.5K the Xeon CRS 3000 - Carbon with full Ultegra, Mavic Ksyrium Elites, Ritchey kit all for about £1600!

 

[Drago]

That is absolute bollocks.

If you're on a budget and need a solid set of wheels, the R500 cannot be beaten.

Firstly, why the need to swear? Why use such infantile behaviour?

And second, that's incorrect. I'm a weighty chap (ie, big and fat) and R501's aren't up to the job. Denty, bendy and prone to braking surface wear when trying to haul up a meaty lump of manliness like wot I is. The generic no-name hubbed Alex R500 rimmed replacements aren't perfect, but roll as well, weigh no more, and and the rim itself takes the punishment better, for less money.

Ergo, for the same price (or less in this case) they very much can be beaten, thus completely negating your un-evidenced and foul mouthed assertion.