UK SUV Petition

[matticus]

There are many very valid reasons for owning one - and I should know I've had seven (still have one).

Hmmm.
I'm not sure this is quite as convincing as you think.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Define “SUV”?

Link to evidence?

If it looks like a duck....

 

[matticus]

Define “SUV”?

Well quite.
Define pollution.
Define dangerous driving.
Define road death. 🤷‍♀️

These things are all too nebulous to tackle, so we should do nothing. Just to be on the safe side.

 

[Jody]

If it looks like a duck....

These things are all too nebulous to tackle, so we should do nothing. Just to be on the safe side.

SUV covers quite a range of vehicles though. A 1.0 Ford Puma/VW T-Roc is an SUV, as is a 2.5td Nissan Navara pick up, all the way up to 500+ bhp full fat Range Rover.

At what point do the restrictions start? Kerb weight, engine size, C02 emissions, OTR cost, number of deaths per model?

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Define “SUV”?

Link to evidence?

Looks like the car equivalent of the Terminator but has the capabilities of Walter Mitty.

 

[Fab Foodie]

SUV covers quite a range of vehicles though. A 1.0 Ford Puma/VW T-Roc is an SUV, as is a 2.5td Nissan Navara pick up, all the way up to 500+ bhp full fat Range Rover.

At what point do the restrictions start? Kerb weight, engine size, C02 emissions, OTR cost, number of deaths per model?

Pretty much everything can be defined and often needs to be for legal reasons, Macron will have to that for his Parisian rules.
It helps to look at some definitions, Wikipedia sums-up this issue fairly well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUV#Commercial_SUVs
Whilst there is not one hard and fast definition, there are many characteristics which help to identify whether a vehicle is an 'SUV' OR of the type of SUV that you might wish to prohibit on safety or environmental grounds.

Example characteristics include:
4x4
Ground clearance/Height off the road
High Centre of gravity
High bumper height (important in accident statistics)
General Shape/poor aerodynamics
Weight
Power
Dimensions
Wheel size/type

Then you can start to categorise based on combinations of criteria above to suit whatever you are trying to achieve. It won't be perfect of course, but it will be a start, like connecting your car licence fee to emissions, or Ulez, weights permissible to drive on your licence etc. etc.

 

[DRM]

Toyota SUV ad banned
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...adverts-banned-in-uk-on-environmental-grounds

Funny looking SUV, looks remarkably like a pick up to me

 

[BoldonLad]

SUV covers quite a range of vehicles though. A 1.0 Ford Puma/VW T-Roc is an SUV, as is a 2.5td Nissan Navara pick up, all the way up to 500+ bhp full fat Range Rover.

At what point do the restrictions start? Kerb weight, engine size, C02 emissions, OTR cost, number of deaths per model?

My point exactly.

 

[BoldonLad]

Pretty much everything can be defined and often needs to be for legal reasons, Macron will have to that for his Parisian rules.
It helps to look at some definitions, Wikipedia sums-up this issue fairly well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUV#Commercial_SUVs
Whilst there is not one hard and fast definition, there are many characteristics which help to identify whether a vehicle is an 'SUV' OR of the type of SUV that you might wish to prohibit on safety or environmental grounds.

Example characteristics include:
4x4
Ground clearance/Height off the road
High Centre of gravity
High bumper height (important in accident statistics)
General Shape/poor aerodynamics
Weight
Power
Dimensions
Wheel size/type

Then you can start to categorise based on combinations of criteria above to suit whatever you are trying to achieve. It won't be perfect of course, but it will be a start, like connecting your car licence fee to emissions, or Ulez, weights permissible to drive on your licence etc. etc.

I think you left out the key characteristic:

Provokes envy in some of those who don’t drive one

I don’t by the way (drive one)

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I think you left out the key characteristic:

Provokes envy in some of those who don’t drive one

I don’t by the way (drive one)

Projection perhaps?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not in the least envious. I could afford one without a problem, I just don't want one.

 

[BoldonLad]

Projection perhaps?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not in the least envious. I could afford one without a problem, I just don't want one.

Good for you 😊

 

[DRM]

In this day & age I really fail to see why anyone needs a 6.3 Litre V8 AMG Merc G-Wagon, which has turned one of the best off road vehicles into a complete dogs dinner, or the Range Rover S/VR with a 5.0 litre V8, both of which guzzle petrol for fun, yet Suzuki were forced to stop selling the Jimny for enviromental reasons, it's utterly ridiculous, both the Merc & Range Rover seem to be the drug dealers main mode of transport

 

[newfhouse]

At what point do the restrictions start? Kerb weight, engine size, C02 emissions, OTR cost, number of deaths per model?

A progressive tax based on a formula that encompasses most of those characteristics (and possibly others) seems reasonable.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

SUV covers quite a range of vehicles though. A 1.0 Ford Puma/VW T-Roc is an SUV, as is a 2.5td Nissan Navara pick up, all the way up to 500+ bhp full fat Range Rover.

At what point do the restrictions start? Kerb weight, engine size, C02 emissions, OTR cost, number of deaths per model?

(Weight/acceleration)*bonnet height

 

[Ming the Merciless]

We could start with any car wider than 2m (including mirrors) or heavier than 2 tonnes be classed as a HGV. You then need to pass your hgv test to drive one, and all such vehicles are fitted with a tachograph and limited to 56 mph.