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theboxers

TheBoxers on Cycle Sim sw
TB how different is the fit to your current frame? Looks miles out. Should you be looking at a larger frame?
The difference between the grade and gain is nearly all in the head tube length. 180 to 140. The reach is about 9mm longer on the gain, stack is 40mm greater on the grade (as expected). I'm just seeing where the minimum point would be in a safe indoor environment. I'll be putting the grade back to where it was before I started mucking about.

I am on the border between medium and large frames and usually go up in size due to my longer arms. The oddity is there are 2 geometry sheets for the gain bikes. One for the carbon, one for the alloy. The alloy bikes have longer head tubes, reach and stack height are higher as well. I've mailed Orbea for clarification about it.

If I can't get on with this lowered bar position I'll have to rethink the gain purchase :sad:. It already looks like I'd need a different saddle with the lowered position anyway.
 
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<Tommy>

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The difference between the grade and gain is nearly all in the head tube length. 180 to 140. The reach is about 9mm longer on the gain, stack is 40mm greater on the grade (as expected). I'm just seeing where the minimum point would be in a safe indoor environment. I'll be putting the grade back to where it was before I started mucking about.

I am on the border between medium and large frames and usually go up in size due to my longer arms. The oddity is there are 2 geometry sheets for the gain bikes. One for the carbon, one for the alloy. The alloy bikes have longer head tubes, reach and stack height are higher as well. I've mailed Orbea for clarification about it.

If I can't get on with this lowered bar position I'll have to rethink the gain purchase :sad:. It already looks like I'd need a different saddle with the lowered position anyway.

Mate that frame is defo too small for you by the looks of it. Do you have many spacers under the stem on your current build?

If you put up the geo charts I’d have a look at then with you mate. But just as a general point even if you’re very flexible a 40mm drop in one go is quite a leap.
 

theboxers

TheBoxers on Cycle Sim sw
Mate that frame is defo too small for you by the looks of it. Do you have many spacers under the stem on your current build?

If you put up the geo charts I’d have a look at then with you mate. But just as a general point even if you’re very flexible a 40mm drop in one go is quite a leap.
https://geometrygeeks.bike/compare/...gt-grade-alloy-2018-l-56-1,orbea-gain-2018-l/

It's odd the two bikes are really only 5mm or so different in most measures appart from reach, 9mm longer and stack, 35mm shorter. Most of the stack difference is generated by the head tube length. Also the carbon and alloy bikes have different head tube lengths for the same size frame :blink:, the alloy bike head tube is 40mm longer:huh:.

I'm just playing with stem lengths and heights at the moment. The last was just an extreme, see where I can take this, setup. Although the first setup with thw bmc stem did show up a possible need to move/change the saddle.

My normal on trainer setup has the gt with 15mm of spacers with the 80mm 30 degree stem the right way up. I did ride the gt with the original 120 mm tem for qite a while before going with this setup, more for comfort than speed (don't need to be aero on a trainer :laugh:), also did I mention the saddle :huh:. The bmc is set up with almost the same position apart from the wider bars.

I think the large would probably be the right size. It is just the stack height that is showing up as a major query due to head tube length. An email has been sent to Orbea asking for clarification on the matter.

I can't move forward without clarification
 
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bridgy

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Cheddar
The Somerset Levels are indeed, level. Been bird watching there but can't say I know the area that well. @bridgy lives in Cheddar, just north of this route, so will probably know the area for riding around. If the choice is a lumpy ride I'll bring the Boardman, if mostly flat I may bring the SS as I love riding that bike and, as I say, now I have a bolt and can put the route in, I won't be slowing anyone else down.
Sorry, I've been a bit busy so not been here for a while but I do indeed know the Somerset Levels pretty well - happy to try and meet up for a ride if people are up for that
 

bobinski

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Tulse Hill
Swoon...

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<Tommy>

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TB I’ll try take a look at the geo charts tonight mate.
 

bridgy

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Cheddar
That ride you did yesterday was impressive. It didn't look too level. So close to KOM on that 40 minute segment.
Thanks Randy! No not very level at all - south of me are the Somerset Levels, north are the Mendip hills, so I have a nice choice of flat or hilly (or both!)

I used to (accidentally) have the KOM on that 40 minute segment - it includes the climb of Burrington Combe, and then over the top of the Mendips and down Cheddar Gorge, so to get a good time you have to go up Burrington Combe fast, and then keep going hard when you get to the top - I suspect a lot of people naturally back off and have a rest at the top of the hill (or wait for their slower mates!) which is why I have a shot at the KOM!

I think I'll have to have another go at it actually, as I was 35 seconds slower than my best time descending down Cheddar gorge (traffic!!) but only 50 seconds off the KOM.....
 
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I know

I think i might have to buy one ...

You know if I was you, I’d definitely think seriously about it. I know how much you like that colourway.

I’m seriously biased towards canondales, but it’s with good reason. They’re fantastic frames. I’ve spoken to so many guys who’ve had caad’s or evo’s and rate them as the best bike they ever had. It’s the sort of bike you’ll still look forward to riding in 20 years time. You’ll never get bored of looking at the classic lines of it either. And it’s a real head turner in that colour. There’s no gimmick to the design, it’s just classic tubing. Sooner or later they’re going to stop doing it in that deep purple colour too. Maybe it’ll be a relief because you won’t hanker for it any more. Or maybe it’ll always be a regret

Just sayin.... :angel:
 

bobinski

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Location
Tulse Hill
You know if I was you, I’d definitely think seriously about it. I know how much you like that colourway.

I’m seriously biased towards canondales, but it’s with good reason. They’re fantastic frames. I’ve spoken to so many guys who’ve had caad’s or evo’s and rate them as the best bike they ever had. It’s the sort of bike you’ll still look forward to riding in 20 years time. You’ll never get bored of looking at the classic lines of it either. And it’s a real head turner in that colour. There’s no gimmick to the design, it’s just classic tubing. Sooner or later they’re going to stop doing it in that deep purple colour too. Maybe it’ll be a relief because you won’t hanker for it any more. Or maybe it’ll always be a regret

Just sayin.... :angel:

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theboxers

TheBoxers on Cycle Sim sw
Well I've just had it confirmed by Orbea. The carbon and alloy gains are different geometries :thumbsdown: :banghead: :cursing: :cry:. I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna get a carbon gain to fit me in my current form and (lack of) flexibility. I'll just have to do it the hard way :bicycle: :training: :bicycle: .

Back to the GT and stretching and flexibility exercises :surrender:
 
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