trust your base training

[JasonHolder]

I must say this whole discussion, from page 1 to here has not been a meeting of minds

And I say this as someone that can see both sides

I agree.

 

[Rob3rt]

Yes im just terrible. First time back, 900miles in 28days.
I can name a handful on this forum who do (900 right up to 3 times that) they know who they are.
The rest of you gobshites do sod all but make me rage. Take your 400 miles and talk bully somewhere else.

At the end of the day, mileage means very little, it is the time you dedicate to training/riding and what you do with that time that makes the most significant difference.

If the thread had started off a little less ridiculous, maybe some of that would have come out without all of the bickering (guilty as charged).

 

[jack smith]

400 miles for someone who is constantly busy monday-friday and that is just these past 28 days where ive been off the road bike isnt too bad for me mot to mention i need to squeeze in running swimming and an extra part time job ontop of what i already do i only started cycling last august

 

[Peter Armstrong]

Base mileage is utter crap (For me ) For my body to react and change I need to inflict some pain. Hill Sprints anyone?

 

[Rob3rt]

Base mileage is utter crap (For me ) For my body to react and change I need to inflict some pain. Hill Sprints anyone?

I would bet it isn't necessarily that base mileage is crap for you, I'd bet it is the overall training composition when you include more base mileage that slows your progress. Training composition is the key to making progress, not individual sessions. Although it could also be your understanding of base mileage that is the culprit

I always shunned low intensity work, determined to make as much pain as possible in a 6 hour training week, it worked to a degree, to the point I went from never raced to being in the top 15-20 in open time trial events with fields of 100+ riders, top 3 regularly in club events with fields of 30-40 riders and a good result in the National HC, i.e. went from nothing to fairly good in about 9 months of racing.

However since I started working with a coach, my training composition has changed a lot, even though many of the key sessions still remain in one guise or another, it still doesn't include much low intensity work, but has less overall time spent riding on the limit and I've only been outside the top 10 in one race this year and that was because I stood around taking my jacket off on the start line and set off 12 seconds late! Even with that penalty, I went over a minute faster than I ever had done in a 10 before and subtracting the penalty, it was a 30+ mph ride!

It is about knowing how hard to go, how long to go that hard and what to do when you aren't going hard!

 

[Peter Armstrong]

I probs do about 6 hour training week, If I feel fresh I mite say... blast some hill sprints, the next day I mite do 10 mile as fast as I can, no Sprints, next day maybe easy with some flat random sprints thrown in. Then at weekend a good clud ride or race. Basicly no structure just going off what I feel like doing and mixing it up. But no base miles for sure, Sufferfest HITT videos over winter pushed me from sportives to crit racing.

 

[JasonHolder]

400 miles for someone who is constantly busy monday-friday and that is just these past 28 days where ive been off the road bike isnt too bad for me mot to mention i need to squeeze in running swimming and an extra part time job ontop of what i already do i only started cycling last august

Absolutely not having a plough at you here mucka. Airbornes are tough as fark regardless.

Robert i agree. However- in the first month or 2 you cant be doin quality intensive stuff im sure you conceed that.
And that follows nicely to mr armstrong, willing to be proved wrong that when you started ridig with a plan you A either had many miles in your legs or B did many miles to get ready for all these hard sessiins that now make you so good". If you put these sessions onto someone without a base. They burn out and die.

 

[Peter Armstrong]

And die, Jesus!

 

[JasonHolder]

And die, Jesus!

Good god you are so pedantic

 

[Rob3rt]

Absolutely not having a plough at you here mucka. Airbornes are tough as **** regardless.

Robert i agree. However- in the first month or 2 you cant be doin quality intensive stuff im sure you conceed that.
And that follows nicely to mr armstrong, willing to be proved wrong that when you started ridig with a plan you A either had many miles in your legs or B did many miles to get ready for all these hard sessiins that now make you so good". If you put these sessions onto someone without a base. They burn out and die.

I haven't stated otherwise. However, I would say, what some people call HIIT is not the same thing I would call HIIT. I would also say, whilst newbies or people who have had a long lay off should not jump in with very high intensity riding, there is no harm in riding hard in moderation and there are various ways to build a "base", no need to just ride around clocking up hundreds of junk miles, which is essentially what you are advocating.

 

[JasonHolder]

I am not advocating junk miles. I never did outline anything in my very first post. Re-read it. I appreciate what you have to say rob3rt.

I'll be the first to admit smart intensity during base is wise, as well as necessary because weeks of boring junk would kill mind. However even then, since when did HR zone 2 endurance rides become junk. You're all turning an endurance sport into a joke of 60min HIT crit workouts who can't manage a hundred miler without asking bone questions about what food what drink etc. If you did the mileage you would know.

 

[400bhp]

 

[brand]

Absolutely not having a plough at you here mucka. Airbornes are tough as **** regardless.

Robert i agree. However- in the first month or 2 you cant be doin quality intensive stuff im sure you conceed that.
And that follows nicely to mr armstrong, willing to be proved wrong that when you started ridig with a plan you A either had many miles in your legs or B did many miles to get ready for all these hard sessiins that now make you so good". If you put these sessions onto someone without a base. They burn out and die.

HAT?

 

[JasonHolder]

HAT?

No both para reg blokes

 

[potsy]

Why is this not a 'featured' thread yet?