Tour de France 2015 - may contain nuts and SPOILERS

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mcshroom

Bionic Subsonic
If only Barguil's bike had disc brakes...:whistle:
He locked up the rear. It wasn't the brakes that were the limiting factor.
 
Katusha getting on the sabotage bandwagon, apparently there were 10 punctures in 500m today and one of their tyres had this stuck in it
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threebikesmcginty

Corn Fed Hick...
Location
...on the slake
Glad you mentioned that bit at the end...it would explain why I have no idea what you are on about

Yeah right!
 

bikeman66

Senior Member
Location
Isle of Wight
Katusha getting on the sabotage bandwagon, apparently there were 10 punctures in 500m today and one of their tyres had this stuck in it
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The French have form for this kind of thing. Italy's Gino Bartali withdrew the whole Italian team in 1950, while in a dominant position, because he felt threatened by insults, jeering and spectators trying to push him off his bike. I guess the problem with nails and tacks being thrown on to the road is nearly as old as Le Tour itself though, with the first recorded incident of this being in 1904. It certainly happened during stage 14 in 2012 too. As far as this year is concerned, my own opinion is that it is one of the best of recent times, so it's a real shame to hear of these story's of physical and verbal assault and of objects being thrown at riders or on to the road. I know it's a big money game, but first and foremost it is supposed to be sport!
 

Foghat

Freight-train-groove-rider
Voigt's protestations regarding this descent are rather ridiculous, and somewhat reminiscent of the Schlecks' objections at having to race downhill a few years ago. I think they lost time on this same road when Contador decided to go for it.

Most technical descents in mountainous terrain can be lethal if you make even just a small mistake in the wrong place at the wrong time. Croix de Fer, Glandon, Madeleine, Cormet de Roseland, Izoard, Allos etc are all littered with death (or race-changing) opportunities. And any which don't have a big climb finish or long flat run-in to follow will be even more stressful in a race situation, not just the Col de Manse.

Head-first into a concrete wall or a rock face, tipping over a low wall or barrier into a ravine or over the edge of a bridge are all easily possible in countless places on many descents in cycling, so if professional riders want or feel compelled to race down them in a race of the Tour's stature, rather than protest about them they should:
  • conduct a recce and pay attention on it and in any briefings
  • consider and be aware of their ability and comfort zone
  • take more care
  • not behave like idiotic/inexperienced sportive riders (i.e. be more observant, adapt to the conditions, respect the other riders)
It's perfectly possible to still blitzkrieg a descent, and maintain sporting ethics and televisual spectacle, whilst observing the above. Calling for descents to be avoided, or no descents close to a finish, is nonsense when it's within the riders' own control how much risk they take. Does he disagree with the Poggio in Milan San-Remo too?
 
Voigt's protestations regarding this descent are rather ridiculous
I sometimes wonder if it's really him or either one of Phil or Paul doing a bad German accent as "he" has bollocks all of interest to say and is so wide of the mark with knowledge of potential race scenarios and the type of rider suited to particular terrains.

"He" is suspiciously píss poor at rider identification as well.
 

400bhp

Guru
Voigt's protestations regarding this descent are rather ridiculous, and somewhat reminiscent of the Schlecks' objections at having to race downhill a few years ago. I think they lost time on this same road when Contador decided to go for it.

Most technical descents in mountainous terrain can be lethal if you make even just a small mistake in the wrong place at the wrong time. Croix de Fer, Glandon, Madeleine, Cormet de Roseland, Izoard, Allos etc are all littered with death (or race-changing) opportunities. And any which don't have a big climb finish or long flat run-in to follow will be even more stressful in a race situation, not just the Col de Manse.

Head-first into a concrete wall or a rock face, tipping over a low wall or barrier into a ravine or over the edge of a bridge are all easily possible in countless places on many descents in cycling, so if professional riders want or feel compelled to race down them in a race of the Tour's stature, rather than protest about them they should:
  • conduct a recce and pay attention on it and in any briefings
  • consider and be aware of their ability and comfort zone
  • take more care
  • not behave like idiotic/inexperienced sportive riders (i.e. be more observant, adapt to the conditions, respect the other riders)
It's perfectly possible to still blitzkrieg a descent, and maintain sporting ethics and televisual spectacle, whilst observing the above. Calling for descents to be avoided, or no descents close to a finish, is nonsense when it's within the riders' own control how much risk they take. Does he disagree with the Poggio in Milan San-Remo too?

Yep, you're right he did lose time. Contador & Sammy Sanchez got a few seconds on the small peloton sized group. I can't remember who it was (Voeckler?) that ended up in someone's driveway. Brilliant & memorable stage.

And I have the feeling this was the descent where one of the riders got concussion on the same corner where G came off??
 
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