Strathlubnaig
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twitter lit up over the cavendish shoulder charge incident. Polarised opinions obviously. Brian Smith reckons accidental, Steve Bauer reckons malicous intent. tbc......
Tour de France 2013 *spoilers*
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I take your point but I thought it was a reasonable comment in the context of everything else they say.
You know, picking on one line from the whole piece to destroy their argument is a bit like calling foul based on the evidence of one climb from a whole three week tour.
I did, in fairness, say that I didn't have a problem with SIS, but rather with some of the other VAM analysts. It was just that sitting on the fence line they threw in there that annoyed me. I'd hardly call it trying to destroy their argument though. Just trying to contextualize it.
I'm as much of a power data geek as anyone. But it always needs context to be helpful.
Now if we could see Froome's and Porte's data file from Saturday, I'd be all over that. And you'd need both to interpret correctly.
tigger
Über Member
Just stumbled on this link, it seems none of the Tour climbs times are actually timed. So sports scientists estimates of power output are in turn based on estimated times from someone with a stopwatch watching the TV coverage? Really??
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/?p=10280
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/?p=10280
kedab
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haha! Cav' robbed the reporters tape recorder 
My call, without reading anyone else's opinion, that's a dq. It looked deliberate and dangerous to me and not a 'racing incident'. I reckon Cavendish maybe saw red after being caught behind a slowing lead out man and took 'revenge'. Irresponsible and no place for it. Now I'm off to see what the guys that matter say!
smutchin
Cat 6 Racer
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- The Red Enclave
I think we're pretty much of the same opinion, just differing slightly in how we say it...
smutchin
Cat 6 Racer
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- The Red Enclave
"@MarkCavendish: Not seen a replay of the final yet, but was involved in an incident with Tom Veelers. Whatever has happened, if I'm at fault, I'm sorry."
That almost sounds like an admission.
That almost sounds like an admission.
Chutzpah
Über Member
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My immediate take was that Veelers veered left then right. In the slow mo it looks bad on Cavendish but he knew there was going to be contact and braced himself. However, in real time there's that sudden realisation of contact and a bracing action. Why purposefully shoulder barge as some sort of retaliation at those speeds?
I haven't seen any argument online yet that has swayed me from that initial opinion.
I haven't seen any argument online yet that has swayed me from that initial opinion.
smutchin
Cat 6 Racer
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- The Red Enclave
Makes sense. Veelers was definitely moving towards him.
smutchin
Cat 6 Racer
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- The Red Enclave
"@MarkCavendish: There's no way I'd move on a rider deliberately, especially one not contesting a sprint. I hope @tom_veelers is ok."
That was my first response when I saw it live, in fact I missed the sprint because I was concentrating on the crash. Then he nicked the guys recorder when he was asked about the crash, so I reckon, deliberate. Frustration boiling over. Should be a DQ unless the judges see it more Boardman's way but if I was a judge, DQ.
Sure. And that's just one of many problems in applying this method.
Riding at 6.5 w/kg for an hour is kind of the boundary of human physiology historically. Does that mean we can't perform better? Usain Bolt anyone?
Now to ride as high a power output up a hill as you can, ideally you will be evenly paced over the hour. Uneven pacing will reduce performance. Road racing is ALL about uneven performance. This makes comparisons between performances difficult.
Then there's pacing. Then there's conditions. Then there's daily variability of fitness/freshness balance. Then there's stop/start of timing method.
zizou
Veteran
The match box analogy is common in cycling (and probably other endurance sports) and it isn't to do with doping. Everyone has the box of matches, doping would give them more matches to play with and replenish them quicker too - that Kiryienka, Porte etc were struggling so badly the next day is more suggestive of them being clean than doping. It is just suggestive though.
