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CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
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ttcycle, same message, agreed; but I disagree that the brand is the message. The message is the image of a crushed bike under a lorry.
goose, yes, I'm happy to do that as & when needed. I know someone who knows him, so might have a slightly more efficient route to him if required.
goose, yes, I'm happy to do that as & when needed. I know someone who knows him, so might have a slightly more efficient route to him if required.
ttcycle
Cycling Excusiast
I know what you're saying Ben L - however in terms of virally spreading a message it needs to be memorable as not everyone will think to watch it.
I think essentially where 'branding' (jeez) will be useful is the none vid stuff wherever and however that gets developed.
I think essentially where 'branding' (jeez) will be useful is the none vid stuff wherever and however that gets developed.
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
- Location
- London
I agree about the slogan for the posters, just not convinced we need it for the video. But, as I say, I'm not really bothered, so if others think we need it, no harm to include it.
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
- Location
- London
Seeking a truck ...
ttcycle
Cycling Excusiast
Update:
the email I sent to a contact has been forwarded on a few times-
copying the correspondence below - some food for thought about what we want to achieve overall- let me know what your thoughts are- my responses are in italics and names removed where necessary:
Dear xxxxxxxx
I thought I'd contact you both regarding the campaign that I mentioned when I met you briefly at the meeting a couple of weeks ago.
A few of us dotted across the country on a cycling forum are trying to organise a grassroots educational campaign that involves cyclists and HGV drivers (hopefully). I suppose you're both familiar with the risk of undertaking large lorries/HGVs that has lead to deaths across the capital and the country-xxxx I know you have also got personal experience of this- this has been a longstanding issue and several safety vids have been produced but are a bit preachy and won't reach the general HGV or cycling public - the main point of the campaign is to produce a 30 second viral vid- we have camera and crew - looking into logistics right now and hopefully get people meeting in London to film it and discuss strategy. Have a Broadsheet friend who will help with a press release as we're looking to get this across into national media across the board and different mediums and make it a national rather than London centric campaign. There are also plans (less solid until we have the vid done) to guerilla sticker the back of buses (illegally as unsure in London if TfL would allow this), flyer and speak to cyclists/HGV community, link in with other cycle bodies CTC, LCC (this has started already) and a few others to name, get out a mass ride ie link with critical mass-all co-ordinated around certain times/dates etc? Basically scope for this to grow and be a large campaign; however, it needs people and people with skills and interest in it.
Let me know if you and or friends are able and interested in helping out on any level-organisational and or simple handing out/talking to people. Would be appreciated
Forwarded on twice through different sources:
Hi all,
Please read and respond if this is of interest.
I would like to gather a support team in the next few days to assist in the following...
Reply to me:
Hi xxxx
please note I have copied this to friends and family of Eilidh Cairns; a cyclist who was killed by an HGV in February. Kate, Eilidhs' sister, is also making a film.
If I may comment on your letter.
You write: "... the risk of undertaking large lorries/HGVs that has lead to deaths ..."
Firstly; when cyclists are killed by HGVs it is not always a result of undertaking, whilst this definitely a dangerous maneuver, there are occasions when lorries take a left turn and kill cyclist even though the cyclist has not undertaken them.
Secondly; it is not only the action of the cyclist that is the cause of death as your statement implies (no doubt unintentionally). There is a "blame the victim" mindset only too common amongst the police and the CPS that needs to be challenged. The real cause of deaths is the existence of blind-spots in the drivers vision; as well as other factors such inattentiveness on occasions. This does not mean that cyclist should not be aware of the dangers that can arise.
I am more than willing to offer any editorial contributions (such as the ones above) and help out in any way I can. Please let me know.
My response:
Hi XXX
Thanks for the email - my intention was not to 'blame the cyclist' which you have picked up on in your email as unitentional as I am a cyclist myself and even assertive and experienced cyclists have been affected by this. I was summarising a pre-emptive riding style which is what my fellow-forumers are pushing for the most. I am aware that by the length of HGV's and the room and manner in which they turn this also causes problems; I am also mindful that HGV's have a blind spot which could be improved with mirrors hence the necessity to link in with drivers of HGVs so that they are aware of:
a) the need for a mirror
supportive of cautious and attentive driving
So it is really a two way process - there are a couple of routes that this campaign can take on as well as educationary for HGV drivers and cyclists- there is a need for HGV lorries to be equipped with the mirrors and also if possible funding provisions to be made on ammending appalling road designs. I'll take this back to the others on the forum and give you feedback when I have some - at present we're looking to get a HGV for the filming.
Thank you for the offer of help - I will definitely take you up on that once things are clearer.
What do you guys think in the scope this should take? Plus, what is happening with the acquring of a HGV? Seems many interested people who can lend a hand- the momentum seems to be slowing down a bit...come on guys lets shake the dust off and get going!
the email I sent to a contact has been forwarded on a few times-
copying the correspondence below - some food for thought about what we want to achieve overall- let me know what your thoughts are- my responses are in italics and names removed where necessary:
Dear xxxxxxxx
I thought I'd contact you both regarding the campaign that I mentioned when I met you briefly at the meeting a couple of weeks ago.
A few of us dotted across the country on a cycling forum are trying to organise a grassroots educational campaign that involves cyclists and HGV drivers (hopefully). I suppose you're both familiar with the risk of undertaking large lorries/HGVs that has lead to deaths across the capital and the country-xxxx I know you have also got personal experience of this- this has been a longstanding issue and several safety vids have been produced but are a bit preachy and won't reach the general HGV or cycling public - the main point of the campaign is to produce a 30 second viral vid- we have camera and crew - looking into logistics right now and hopefully get people meeting in London to film it and discuss strategy. Have a Broadsheet friend who will help with a press release as we're looking to get this across into national media across the board and different mediums and make it a national rather than London centric campaign. There are also plans (less solid until we have the vid done) to guerilla sticker the back of buses (illegally as unsure in London if TfL would allow this), flyer and speak to cyclists/HGV community, link in with other cycle bodies CTC, LCC (this has started already) and a few others to name, get out a mass ride ie link with critical mass-all co-ordinated around certain times/dates etc? Basically scope for this to grow and be a large campaign; however, it needs people and people with skills and interest in it.
Let me know if you and or friends are able and interested in helping out on any level-organisational and or simple handing out/talking to people. Would be appreciated
Forwarded on twice through different sources:
Hi all,
Please read and respond if this is of interest.
I would like to gather a support team in the next few days to assist in the following...
Hi xxxx
please note I have copied this to friends and family of Eilidh Cairns; a cyclist who was killed by an HGV in February. Kate, Eilidhs' sister, is also making a film.
If I may comment on your letter.
You write: "... the risk of undertaking large lorries/HGVs that has lead to deaths ..."
Firstly; when cyclists are killed by HGVs it is not always a result of undertaking, whilst this definitely a dangerous maneuver, there are occasions when lorries take a left turn and kill cyclist even though the cyclist has not undertaken them.
Secondly; it is not only the action of the cyclist that is the cause of death as your statement implies (no doubt unintentionally). There is a "blame the victim" mindset only too common amongst the police and the CPS that needs to be challenged. The real cause of deaths is the existence of blind-spots in the drivers vision; as well as other factors such inattentiveness on occasions. This does not mean that cyclist should not be aware of the dangers that can arise.
I am more than willing to offer any editorial contributions (such as the ones above) and help out in any way I can. Please let me know.
My response:
Hi XXX
Thanks for the email - my intention was not to 'blame the cyclist' which you have picked up on in your email as unitentional as I am a cyclist myself and even assertive and experienced cyclists have been affected by this. I was summarising a pre-emptive riding style which is what my fellow-forumers are pushing for the most. I am aware that by the length of HGV's and the room and manner in which they turn this also causes problems; I am also mindful that HGV's have a blind spot which could be improved with mirrors hence the necessity to link in with drivers of HGVs so that they are aware of:
a) the need for a mirror
supportive of cautious and attentive drivingSo it is really a two way process - there are a couple of routes that this campaign can take on as well as educationary for HGV drivers and cyclists- there is a need for HGV lorries to be equipped with the mirrors and also if possible funding provisions to be made on ammending appalling road designs. I'll take this back to the others on the forum and give you feedback when I have some - at present we're looking to get a HGV for the filming.
Thank you for the offer of help - I will definitely take you up on that once things are clearer.
What do you guys think in the scope this should take? Plus, what is happening with the acquring of a HGV? Seems many interested people who can lend a hand- the momentum seems to be slowing down a bit...come on guys lets shake the dust off and get going!
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CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
- Location
- London
It's only the lack of a lorry that's holding things up now.
Just remembered that I took my kids to one of these years ago http://www.truckfest.co.uk/ Problem is the festival sites are mainly grass.
Alas only one show left - Haydock Park in Sept
Alas only one show left - Haydock Park in Sept
thomas
the tank engine
- Location
- Woking/Norwich
Sorry if this has already been covered but there are too many pages for me to search for an answer.
Would the stickers be those sort of "cyclists, do not undertake" ones?
If so, good idea!
Origamist
Legendary Member
ttcycle said:
TT - this was my concern about the video (see post 292).
How about a dual approach, each sequence about 25 seconds or so. Sequence one with an undertaking cyclist and sequence two with a HGV overtaking and then left hooking a cyclist? This would emphasise the need for mutual responsibility/respect.
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
- Location
- London
My view is that we can't do everything. The planned video already has two different slogans at the end, for the cyclist and trucker audiences respectively.
If someone wants to do a second video afterwards, by all means, but let's get the main one done first.
This is the problem with doing things by committee: we get so many different views that nothing ever happens. I say we just need to find a truck and then get on with the original video.
If someone wants to do a second video afterwards, by all means, but let's get the main one done first.
This is the problem with doing things by committee: we get so many different views that nothing ever happens. I say we just need to find a truck and then get on with the original video.
