Time for action

[Jake]

a training centre would bound to have a realisitc mock up?! or we could break into the MOD land where they have fake towns made up

 

[magnatom]

I'll defer to those who know more, however, I think we would probably need a few takes, few angles etc to get enough footage to work from. I know that any time I have been involved in filming for anything, the amount of footage far outweighs the amount that actually makes it on screen.

 

[Jake]

20 seconds! you ever set up a shot? i guess it depends how you want it done. If you want tripods, lighting, sound etc. How long do you think it takes to set all that up. We could just wack a camera on our shoulder and grab a shot yes. How professional do you want it? Do we wants shots from inside the cab, who is the unlucky guy to cycle on the inside? what about other traffic? What if by some miracle a copper is about and asks for permits?

 

[CopperBrompton]

What footage is it you are after again?

2-sec video clip of cyclist on wide, empty road
Caption: Plenty of room

2-sec video clip of cyclist taking primary in left-hand filter lane, cars in straight-ahead lane to right
Caption: Plenty of room

2-second video clip of cyclist taking primary in straight-ahead lane, cars in left filter-lane to right
Caption: Plenty of room

Still photo of lorry at lights, wide gap to its left, cyclist heading for gap
Caption: Plenty of room?

2-sec video clip of cyclist cycling up the left of the lorry and stopping at the lights

In-cab shot of driver checking wing mirror and looking above the cyclist, no cyclist visible

In-cab shot of driver applying left-hand indicator

In-cab shot of driver pulling away and turning left

In-cab shot of wing mirror, showing lorry centimetres from railings, but still looking above the height of the cyclist

Freeze video

Cut to still of mangled bike beneath wheels
Cut to still of crushed helmet
Cut to still of other debris

Video of sheet being pulled over body under lorry

Fade out to caption:
[Cyclist version] Don't let a lorry have a crush on you
[HGV driver version] Don't let your lorry have a crush on a cyclist

 

[ttcycle]

Just read this - I'll check with two people I know who are police/have contact within the police about getting permission to film and how easy this is/costs stc- I second you Jake it takes a lot to set up a shot for all the correct footage.

Am also emailing those two contacts to see if they're able to offer any help.

 

[Jake]

Great stuff. Good to see people are putting lots into this

 

[thomas]

Just read this - I'll check with two people I know who are police/have contact within the police about getting permission to film and how easy this is/costs stc- I second you Jake it takes a lot to set up a shot for all the correct footage.

Am also emailing those two contacts to see if they're able to offer any help.

Can't you just use the old "public space" heave off, as an excuse? If you were just making a home movie that would be allowed. I know you're setting up a scene so it's a bit different.

 

[ttcycle]

Ah Thomas, common law like that doesn't have much sway in old Londinium!
People need to register all sorts of things with the Police before it can be done -else it becomes illegal use of land - no such thing as public land if you don't have £££ coming out of your arse!

One thing that comes to mind if we need some of the shots to have traffic on the r hand side as well how will we achieve this if the road is closed off? I'm thinking in terms of large junctions ie Elephant and castle where there are several lanes of traffic or are we keepng it to smaller busy junctions?

 

[ttcycle]

Quoting my friend "That depends, but a busy London junction would cost a bomb, if
granted, due to the disruptions. You need a pretty good reason - I
think the councils/boroughs would grant that and then organise
policing and bill you, but it'd be in the thousands at least."

Like I said £££

Jesus....dig deep folks....


User3143 can we have some side shots/front photos to deem your suitability for this -let's call it a casting...lol
Do you play dead well?

It probably needs to be a bit cleaner image wise if it is to be taken up in a bigger way and to attract media interest.

 

[ttcycle]

Yep Police trainee suggests that we contact the Borough where we are planning to shoot in as each Borough is different with rules etc- have emailed a couple of people to check if they have info - one is used to organising marches another films a lot but not sure if he has exps of road closures.....

tenacity....

Probably need to think about locations as well

 

[ttcycle]

Other thoughts are..

Any folk have any contact with the guys on London fgss and other forums?
Any luck with HGV people and linking in there?

 

[CopperBrompton]

One thing that comes to mind if we need some of the shots to have traffic on the r hand side as well how will we achieve this if the road is closed off?

We'll just need a few of us to bring cars. I can think of one junction in the City that has traffic lights, is away from anything sensitive and is totally empty on a Sunday, so if we have to take the guerilla approach, it shouldn't be too problematic.

 

[ttcycle]

if people have cars - that solves the problem- re the general idea Ben - does the plenty of room quote still suit? this can probably be tweaked a bit maybe as having two slogans can take away the message.

Got some feedback from a friend - quoted directly below - he organises marches and protests and they get road closures for free-however unlikely for us:

Well right of assembly and protest, covered by the human rights act and common law.

It's a common tactic of the police to demand money for the expence of closing the road. This is bolloxs. The police must take reasonable steps to facillitate lawful protest.

I'm not sure if the same arguement applies to filming an educational video though, you might have to pay. On the other hand if your doing this for a charity or NGO you could ask the local MP in the area to write a letter to the local authority and police requesting they let you do it for free. You can do the same thing with local councilors as well. You might be able to tempt them with an offer of a photo op or something.

The last para is really interesting - may have to do things creatively a work in reverse ie get support from different people as well as councillors/MP's etc first before we make the vid so we can do it for free?

What do you guys think? Otherwise it's definitely the guerilla approach; have to be very careful re the square mile which is policed by the Specials not the Met - Origamist is right they are very on the ball with their patch.

 

[CopperBrompton]

if people have cars - that solves the problem

I can bring one. Who else?[/quote]

does the plenty of room quote still suit? this can probably be tweaked a bit maybe as having two slogans can take away the message.

I don't personally see a need for the closing slogan, but I put it in there to show that it could be incorporated if desired.

My view is that what matters is the message, not the branding. Whether people see the video and poster as the same campaign or not isn't relevant in my view, but others may feel differently.

 

[ttcycle]

they should be the same thing- deliver the same message - have more impact- I detest pretentious marketing etc but the brand is the message in this case as it's what people will probably remember alongside the crushed bike stuff- god I should eat my own words that sounds up my own rear.

Plus if the message is memorable it can be used again for other no vid bits - makes the whole thing cohesive