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subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
Which specific parts of which specific posts? Are you sure you're not reading too much into them?

Sure there are good and bad lorry drivers but the video is not about that. The video is saying that articulated lorries are inherently unsafe vehicles. So by that admission, from the horses mouth so to speak, do you not think it appropriate that there should be a debate as to whether they ought to be allowed on the roads at all, and if so, how the burden of responsibility should fall in the case of an accident?

They are lumps of steel etc . Until they are operated they are not unsafe. It is the operator that makes them unsafe . Same as with cars.

The consequences of poor operation are massively different. I make no argument in that respect .

Ps there are no blind spots until the turn starts .
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
Speaking only for myself, I would invite you to use the report function to alert the moderators to anything you think I have written that is genuine cause for concern. Or do you simply have trouble coping with viewpoints that don't tally with your own?

GC
 
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subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
Speaking only for myself, I would invite you to use the report function to alert the moderators to anything you think I have written that is genuine cause for concern. Or do you simply have trouble coping with viewpoints that don't tally with your own?

GC
You are allowed an opinion. No probs with that , but don't spout bollox please .
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
Do you think it's less safe if the operator is drunk, unlicensed, distracted or playing with a phone?
Ooh clutching at straws now.

Stupidest question ever. Of course not . Doing that is stupid .

Question for GF or GC

Do All Lorry drivers act like GF post suggests .

It's s 2 letter answer Starting with N and ending with a Vowel in case you struggle
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
The killer drivers did.
And nobody is saying they didn't . But you bang on that ALL are . On every dunking thread . When they are not.

But as you seem to be hard of thinking or understanding I will , again, give you a bye ( not a goodbye , but a bye as in sport).
 

Moderators

Legendary Member
Moderator
Location
The Cronk
MOD NOTE: Time to stop being rude to each other.

By all means you do not have to agree with each other but please keep the rude comments out of here.
 

winjim

Straddle the line, discord and rhyme
They are lumps of steel etc . Until they are operated they are not unsafe. It is the operator that makes them unsafe . Same as with cars.
To me, that is not what the video implies. The video implies that these vehicles are unsafe even under the control of a skilled operator.

However, this thread seems to have descended into petty squabbling so I don't really think I can be bothered discussing it any more.
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
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However, this thread seems to have descended into petty squabbling so I don't really think I can be bothered discussing it any more.
simple fact is... some cyclists don't want to be given advice about how to ride a bike... especially by a lorry driver. Some cyclists are infallible in their approach to road safety and anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot in need of a jolly good talking to. The same people probably snip the 'keep away from fire' label out of their jimjams because it's the fire's responsibility to keep away from them. :rolleyes:
 

newfhouse

Resolutely on topic
simple fact is... some cyclists don't want to be given advice about how to ride a bike... especially by a lorry driver. Some cyclists are infallible in their approach to road safety and anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot in need of a jolly good talking to. The same people probably snip the 'keep away from fire' label out of their jimjams because it's the fire's responsibility to keep away from them. :rolleyes:
Will lorry drivers and operators listen to advice from cyclists? Specifically the advice that they shouldn't be driving vehicles in ways that make roads dangerous for cyclists and pedestrians going about their normal everyday business? If you bring a large machine onto a road it is your responsibility to ensure you can see those you wish to share with. It's not good enough to tell the vulnerable to get out of your way.
 

winjim

Straddle the line, discord and rhyme
simple fact is... some cyclists don't want to be given advice about how to ride a bike... especially by a lorry driver. Some cyclists are infallible in their approach to road safety and anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot in need of a jolly good talking to. The same people probably snip the 'keep away from fire' label out of their jimjams because it's the fire's responsibility to keep away from them. :rolleyes:
I think you possibly misunderstand the point people are trying to make. Nobody is disputing the good advice to stay away from HGVs, be aware of their blind spots and turning circles etc. In fact I think everybody is in agreement about the danger they pose.

However, the video is presented in terms of shared responsibility and an opportunity to see others' point of view. Now I have no reason to believe that the driver in the video is anything other than a properly trained, licensed, skilled professional, but his point of view is that due to the design of his vehicle it is impossible for him to perform the necessary observations to enable him to manoeuvre his vehicle in a safe manner, and therefore it is the responsibility of other road users to ensure that they are out of the way when he is driving. Now that's not me spinning his words or putting some weird anti-HGV pro-cyclist slant on things, that's actually what he is saying.

So there's basically an admission from the industry that these vehicles are too dangerous to be on the roads but no suggestion that they want to do anything to make them safer, merely that everybody else should get out of their way. That's what people are upset about.
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
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So there's basically an admission from the industry that these vehicles are too dangerous to be on the roads but no suggestion that they want to do anything to make them safer, merely that everybody else should get out of their way. That's what people are upset about.
They are currently designing safer lorries with lower cabs, bigger windows, more/better mirrors and fewer blind spots. Just because it's not mentioned in the video doesn't mean that steps are not being taken to make these vehicles less of a hazard. People might be upset, but they might also be ignorant too.
 
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