This tiny submarine 2.4 miles under the sea, visiting the relics of RMS Titanic. Can it be found and the crew saved before the air runs out?

[Profpointy]

You can when it comes to the high seas, if they don’t fall under any jurisdiction

I very much doubt that. There's a lot of law pertaining to ships and the sea. If what you say is true you could murder someone on board ship and get away with it. Ditto piracy

 

[Ming the Merciless]

When a thruster was mounted wrong way round


View: https://youtu.be/VKvEUz8C5Y0

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I very much doubt that. There's a lot of law pertaining to ships and the sea. If what you say is true you could murder someone on board ship and get away with it. Ditto piracy

It wasn’t a ship though , or flying under the flag of any country, which I think is the murky area.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

University of Washington design of Cyclops I, a predecessor of Titan


View: https://youtu.be/eKIS2uof2F0

 

[Profpointy]

Of course it's tourism. They're paying money, to a company, to visit somewhere. What else is it?

Companies offering higher risk activities usually have all sorts of waivers but as stated by others where there's well documented negligence of this scale they can be worthless. No doubt they were given all sorts of verbal assurances of safety by this Stockton Rush character. I'm no expert on the law and no idea about the criminal juridisdictions - that sounds a right mess - but in civil proceedings it's inconceivable to me the company would not be found liable and it would be under US law where they are registered.

I can imagine there being all sorts of repercussions and reviews of safety controls in other perceived high risk tourism.

Presumably an Everest expo is also tourism, as are 120m scuba dives on the Britannic? It really is a big stretch what you're claiming, though I expect someone will try.

 

[Dadam]

I'm not claiming anything. It's tourism by definition. So are the examples you cite, if they're organised by a company.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

It wasn’t a ship though , or flying under the flag of any country, which I think is the murky area.

It (Titan) was a registered craft, registered in the Bahamas. That might be potentially helpful in civil claims, since the Bahamian system is derived from ours.

However, I continue to raise the issue of nil insurance, and limited assets being a potential blocker to civil recovery.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Gotta love all the armchair experts arguing this, but needless to say, I'd be very surprised if the company gets away with it.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

It (Titan) was a registered craft, registered in the Bahamas. That might be potentially helpful in civil claims, since the Bahamian system is derived from ours.

However, I continue to raise the issue of nil insurance, and limited assets being a potential blocker to civil recovery.

Like I said, it’s murky when it comes to submersibles. That’s why they were able to take paying tourists n an un certified experimental vessel etc.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Gotta love all the armchair experts arguing this, but needless to say, I'd be very surprised if the company gets away with this 'Scot Free'.

No one is being an armchair expert. Just reporting what those versed in the applicable laws have been saying to the press.

 

[Dogtrousers]

Presumably an Everest expo is also tourism,

Of course it is. Tour companies organising trips for paying guests. What else would you call it?

 

[cougie uk]

Of course it is. Tour companies organising trips for paying guests. What else would you call it?

Uber should get in on this now there's a gap in the market.

 

[cougie uk]

When a thruster was mounted wrong way round


View: https://youtu.be/VKvEUz8C5Y0

Interesting. I thought the boss guy was meant to be on each dive ?

Does make it look like an interesting trip.

 

[Profpointy]

Of course it is. Tour companies organising trips for paying guests. What else would you call it?

Any case law to back that up? Not Everest per se, but adventurous activities, beyond merely bungie jumping or (Lyme Bay) canoeing. I was thinking more about participation in out and out dangerous activities, where inevitably there is a cost

 

[Dogtrousers]

Any case law to back that up? Not Everest per se, but adventurous activities, beyond merely bungie jumping or (Lyme Bay) canoeing. I was thinking more about participation in out and out dangerous activities, where inevitably there is a cost

Why would I need case law? Is the term "Tourism" enshrined in law?

I'd rather just go to the dictionary. Here are the first definitions that Google threw up for me:
the commercial organization and operation of holidays and visits to places of interest:
the business of providing services such as transport, places to stay, or entertainment for people who are on holiday
travel for pleasure or business, and the commercial activity of providing and supporting such travel.

So whether it's a package holiday to Torremolinos, a guided art tour of Florence, a guided walk up Snowdon, a guided trip to Svalbard, a trip to Everest base camp, a guided ascent of Everest or a guided visit to the Titanic it's all tourism. They all have risks and dangers.