The non-Brompton thread

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Things have moved on with Tern. The BYB and node all with a suggested max user height of 195cm. The perhaps older models of link and verge it is 190cm which was the case for all the range they stocked when i first looked into getting a folder and had to go for a brompton as the only mixed modal compact folder that was suitable for 196cm person like myself. A month or so later the Tern website increased a few bikes from 190cm to 195cm I noticed.

I think they have rationalised and improved their range of bikes but if you were to stick to the max suggested rider height there is still no biek suitable for my height. Of course that is pedantic. Being only 1cm "too tall" i suspect that riding one I would "get away with it".

It would be interesting to go back to that folder specialist retailer and ask what he would recommend. That retailer has a no quibble trial period, return if it does not work for you and height of rider was the reason he refused to even consider selling me a Tern bike. He had been caught out with people taking that height risk on the 190cm when my height and they returned them which meant they had to sell as used bikes with a big loss of money.
 

a.twiddler

Veteran
Things have moved on with Tern. The BYB and node all with a suggested max user height of 195cm. The perhaps older models of link and verge it is 190cm which was the case for all the range they stocked when i first looked into getting a folder and had to go for a brompton as the only mixed modal compact folder that was suitable for 196cm person like myself. A month or so later the Tern website increased a few bikes from 190cm to 195cm I noticed.

I think they have rationalised and improved their range of bikes but if you were to stick to the max suggested rider height there is still no biek suitable for my height. Of course that is pedantic. Being only 1cm "too tall" i suspect that riding one I would "get away with it".

It would be interesting to go back to that folder specialist retailer and ask what he would recommend. That retailer has a no quibble trial period, return if it does not work for you and height of rider was the reason he refused to even consider selling me a Tern bike. He had been caught out with people taking that height risk on the 190cm when my height and they returned them which meant they had to sell as used bikes with a big loss of money.

Is this related to max seatpost extension? I wouldn't be surprised if longer aftermarket ones were available, but how much extra length it would take to over stress the frame with the greater leverage it's hard to say. There's a lot of leverage in a standard sized folder's seatpost. This is why I suggested the chrome moly Dahon Speed or Speed Pro as they might stand up to a bit more size related abuse, if you can tolerate the extra weight. Maybe Tern have some similar older models.
 
Is this related to max seatpost extension? I wouldn't be surprised if longer aftermarket ones were available, but how much extra length it would take to over stress the frame with the greater leverage it's hard to say. There's a lot of leverage in a standard sized folder's seatpost. This is why I suggested the chrome moly Dahon Speed or Speed Pro as they might stand up to a bit more size related abuse, if you can tolerate the extra weight. Maybe Tern have some similar older models.

I think the issue is the whole fit. Raise the saddle height would you have the bars hgih enough or does that leave you gping for an uncomfortable aero position??? Or what about the length? A taller person needs a longer reach (or whatever the bikee fit term is called). Raising the saddle might push it further back but is it enough? I think bike fit is not just about longer seatpost. It is funny how people spend a bit on getting a ptro bike fit on their road bikes but put up with whatever a folder offers.

The Brompton offers several handlebar types which gives you various heights and seating positions. Then there is the three OEM seatpost options. IIRC Brompton can be configured when ordering to cope with something like 6'8"!!! If only Tern did similar height options.
 

a.twiddler

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You can get handlebar raisers, but at least with a Brompton, fitting non standard parts can cause problems with the fold, and very likely this applies to other folders too. Finding somewhere that has a few to try is the ideal way to go. Dahons and Terns started from the same roots but I imagine they aren't very similar now. Some random no -name folder might fit your needs out of the blue, but it's hard to know without trying.

As an example, the Dahon Vitesse HG7 which I had felt cramped and had a hard ride and perhaps due to the telescopic stem managed to feel flexy too. Yet the Viking (which was probably some badge engineered product of an unknown far eastern factory) Safari had a one piece, very long stem and the reach was a little further than the Dahon. It had some flex but despite the wheelbase being only an inch or so longer, gave a more comfortable ride. There were no names on the rims and hubs but the transmission was Shimano. It seemed well made, and nothing broke or came loose while I had it. I regarded it as a small wheeled bike that could fold if it needed to. It wasn't particularly fast, but went well enough. I did enjoy riding it.The Brompton in contrast is all about the fold, and yet manages to go very well for a bike with 16" wheels. Perversely, I quite enjoy that, too.

If what's needed is a bike that fits first of all, then can keep up with with all the big wheeled bikes, you will probably have to accept that you'll need to kiss a lot of frogs before you find the handsome prince among folders that does what you want.
 
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Drago

Drago

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On most "Tern" style folder the handlebars are adjustable for height

This ID9 pic gives a good view of the typical adjustment point on the stem below the bars.

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Fastpedaller

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Ear - I've just realised a design feature that could be incorporated into some folding bikes........ A 'telescoping' main tube could give a compact 'fold' without the failure mode associated with a hinged design. maybe I should alert the Patent Office? :rolleyes:. It would need a slightly offset hinge to move the rear wheel to one side so the front wheel could telescope to the position beside (or a main tube which isn't central, or an offset wheeltrack). Hmmm this could require several prototypes.
 
Probably best to see a doctor then!

Your mass isn't a problem for most rivals, many Terns will accommodate your height and most chime jn around the 11.5kg mark actual so are lighter than the typical Brompton. All are faster.

That's no great surprise. I like my Brommie a lot, especially the fold, but it has issues; weight and extra effort when pedalling are amongst them.
 

Fastpedaller

Über Member
Just goes to 'prove' 2 theories:-
Something has always been thought of previously
There's many ways of skinning a cat (as the saying goes)
I still expect one day in the Pompeii excavations they will find a Roman Bicycle
 

biggs682

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So Raleigh Evo 2 or Raleigh Evo 7 or keep looking for a tern/dahon?

That's the question as had one of each Raleigh offered to me Evo 2 is used whereas the Evo 7 has never been used ?
 
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