The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[dellzeqq]

apparently he's a shareholder in Trek. And SRAM

 

[Oldspice]

I guess this page will have more gaps in it soon.
http://lancearmstrong.com/sponsors

 

[Crosstrailer]

Michaelm is pulling your plonker!!

Yes my ribs have only just stopped aching from his Oscar Wilde like rapier wit........

 

[mickle]

He was not the only rider doping, nor was USPS the only team.

Yes. Your point?

 

[ufkacbln]

Yes. Your point?

As stated.......

 

[Dayvo]

I threw a cushion at the TV and broke a lamp.

Is your aim that bad, then?

 

[Paul_L]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but this truth amnesty put forward by our very own Peter Keen is the best next step in my view

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/13/peter-keen-lance-armstrong-truth-commission

That is an excellent piece and the situation regarding Kim Anderson and Neil Stephens really does illustrate the magnitude of the problem. Sack (or ask to resign) an ex doper and promote in his place an ex doper.

 

[DogTired]

Interestingly I came across the following strongly worded protest from the Summer Olympic International Federations and IOC Athletes Commission to WADA about the violations by LNDD/WADA of the regulations and the rights of athletes in the retrospective 1999 sample tests and demanding the suspension of LNDD . So myself and MichaelM are not the only ones that think the rules were badly broken in that incident. Not that I expect it to cut much ice here.

1. We've been over the reasons why the rules were not broken, including quoting the WADA code in force at the time.
2. The letter appears to be based strongly on the contents of the UCI commissioned report written by Emile Vrijman (who doesnt have high standing amongst clean sport supporters). When LA wrote a letter containing similar comments to the strongly worded protest requesting the sacking of Dick Pound to the IOC, Jacques Rogge replied that he would welcome an independent investigation into the issues.

A slapdown like that should make you stop and think.

 

[Noodley]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but this truth amnesty put forward by our very own Peter Keen is the best next step in my view

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/13/peter-keen-lance-armstrong-truth-commission

Interesting article, but IMO there can be no "truth" and reconciliation if it is anonymous. Where's the truth in that? Stand up, be counted, be part of the solution, hold your hands up, be transparent, avoid the possibility of "hiding", and then we can move on...do not allow them to hide. It requires courage and it requires honesty. What it does no require is the option of allowing people to remain anonymous.

 

[Silver Fox]

What we know, and we do know it now, is that he doped in multiple ways for years and years, and that not only this, he was involved in planning his doping on a scale that was unprecedented, and he colluded in persuading others to dope (or leave his team, or even the sport), he threatened, bribed, covered up, lied about his doping and that of his associates etc. etc. etc. He wasn't just engaged in something which was culturally normal, he was a major player in the creation and sustenance of that culture, making things worse than they had been before at a time when the fight against doping in sport was growing as an issue.

The courts have ruled against your arguments about jurisdiction and process. The appropriate body has made the decision which it has been shown it has the power to make, using the standards of proof which it always uses and to which Armstrong and all cyclists are signatory by virtue of their participation in the sport, and has published a full report on the evidence, which is damning.

That sums it all up in a nutshell.

Shame on you Armstrong.

 

[rich p]

Do we know yet when Bruyneel, Marti and the other bloke are due to go to arbitration yet? The chances of them doing so must be slim, to say the least, but it would be fun if they did.

 

[rich p]

From Honey Stinger's website...
“We’re thrilled and honored to have the opportunity to work with an athlete of Lance’s stature,” Gamber said. “Our relationship with Lance comes at a time when Honey Stinger is riding a wave of momentum, and this partnership is a major step for our brand.”
Armstrong’s impact on the success of the company could be substantial. His endorsement carries significant weight in the outdoors recreation industry.


They may have to rephrase it a bit!

 

[smutchin]

Verbruggen has apparently been quoted in De Telegraaf as saying there's no evidence against Lance.

Un-farking-believable.

d.

 

[smutchin]

If you can read Dutch, click here:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/wielersport/13089646/__Geen_bewijs_tegen_Armstrong__.html

 

[400bhp]

Interesting process. Essentially, they are re-signing their own contracts. May have implications under employment law, but it would take a very immoral ex-doper to push it that far. Sean?

I suspect they are self employed and covered by contract law not employment law?