The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[MichaelM]

Red Light, Straight question - do you honestly believe Lance Armstrong is innocent and is not a doper ? Its a Yes or No answer.......

It depends on what you mean by that.

WADA/USADA have broken their own rules and procedures and required Armstrong's permission to re-test the samples etc.. therefore, it's not fair that Armstong's samples were looked at, hence he must be innocent until it's proved otherwise.

 

[Happiness Stan]

... and where does that quote say he was the only one?

It doesn't it says he led the way and took doping to new heights.

Tell me,
when you get stopped for speeding do whine to the Old Bill,
"I wasn't the only one speeding blah blah blah".
And when you do, do they then laugh at you and give you a £60 fine and three points?

To stretch the anology, other riders were doing 99mph on the motorway, Lance was doing 130mph. Who should therefore attract most of our oppobrium?

 

[MichaelM]

Not again

I was taking the michael - R.L didn't answer the same question when I posed it earlier.

 

[Crackle]

I was taking the michael ...

Thank Gawd!

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Nah. f*** him. When the dust settles I fear we will discover that Mr Armstrong's shenanegans have irreparably damaged our beloved sport in the eyes of the general public. He can fester in the self-made hell of his own shame and embarassment for all eternity as far as I'm concerned.

The sport of professional road cycling was irreparably damaged in the eyes of the general public long, long, before LA jumped on the doping bandwagon. (and only pro-cycling fanboys would think otherwise. )

But I agree with your sentiments.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Well the guy is minted, that is for sure. I think he is more interested in his cancer charities than in cycling and that is what he will concentrate his energy on. The Yanks love a villian and they will forgive him in quick time. What was that Tiger Woods up to ? Geoge Bush...lovely man.

Eventually he will write a book "Lance Armstrong, the whole truth". He will come clean and we will all want to read it. By that time the new cycle supporters will have almost forgotten him and it will only be us fossils who are interested.

I fear that even as we speak he is rewriting his history to argue that he only cheated because he was a cancer survivor who was prepared to stop at nothing to help other people with cancer. He knew multiple TdF wins would give him the platform for his livestrong dream and if that meant doping then the ends justified the means.

Without dopage he'd have been a water carrier.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

2012:-
Team Sky & Olympics - 2 steps forward
Lance Armstrong - 3 steps back.

You think the general public think they are clean? Really?
Do remind me who won the olympic men's gold road race?
roll on drums.... a doper!

Edit: and I had general public people asking me during TdF and Olympics if I really thought Cav and Wiggo were clean.

 

[Crosstrailer]

It depends on what you mean by that.

WADA/USADA have broken their own rules and procedures and required Armstrong's permission to re-test the samples etc.. therefore, it's not fair that Armstong's samples were looked at, hence he must be innocent until it's proved otherwise.

Its a yes or no answer. Arguing about the technicalities in not in the question. Please re-read it........

 

[Crosstrailer]

You think the general public think they are clean? Really?
Do remind me who won the olympic men's gold road race?
roll on drums.... a doper!

I was really disappointed he won it TBH

 

[Red Light]

Not again

Interestingly I came across the following strongly worded protest from the Summer Olympic International Federations and IOC Athletes Commission to WADA about the violations by LNDD/WADA of the regulations and the rights of athletes in the retrospective 1999 sample tests and demanding the suspension of LNDD . So myself and MichaelM are not the only ones that think the rules were badly broken in that incident. Not that I expect it to cut much ice here.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I was really disappointed he won it TBH

I threw a cushion at the TV and broke a lamp.

 

[Red Light]

Red Light, Straight question - do you honestly believe Lance Armstrong is innocent and is not a doper ? Its a Yes or No answer.......

I've answered this ages ago in this thread or one of its locked predecessors already. But to save trawling back to find it let me repeat. I think there is a very high probability that he doped as did anyone at the top of the sport in those years. But the way that USADA have gone about trying to prove it is a travesty of justice and that is what I am posting about. The file when it was released just confirmed my fears.

 

[User169]

Its a yes or no answer. Arguing about the technicalities in not in the question. Please re-read it........

Michaelm is pulling your plonker!!

 

[PaulB]

So, 61 pages. What have we learned that's shed light on this subject so far? 61 pages and numerous others on the thread that was blocked for the (increasingly shrinking) pro and anti brigades? What does this tell us? You, over there in the check trousers - no, not you, the one with the Harrington and the stupid hair; what's your point?

 

[400bhp]

Da Da dum dum de de.

They all laughed at Christopher Columbus
When he said the world was round
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound
They all laughed at Wilbur and his brother
When they said that man could fly

They told Marconi
Wireless was a phony
It's the same old cry