The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[beastie]

I would not bet my house on any rider being beyond suspicion, would you. Riders who are most likely to be clean now must include British cyclist, because they are British, obviously.

 

[MacB]

Is it time for a New New Improved LA Thread?

 

[dellzeqq]

And what about Harold Shipman, all the people he cured even if he did murder a few of them. And that Fred West, what a fecking builder, you never saw him on Watchdog. Then there's that Jimmy Savile, what's the odd rape or shag with an underage girl when he raised all those millions for charity.

Scandalous the way some people are picked on.

dammit, SJ, you missed out Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Caligula. The AiS prize for Moral Outrage is still up for grabs..........

 

[Hont]

I would not bet my house on any rider being beyond suspicion, would you.

I would - otherwise why would I follow pro-cycling if I didn't think any of them were above suspicion? Bet my house? Cadel Evans and just about anyone on Garmin Sharp. I don't have too many doubts about most of Team Sky.

 

[Hont]

This guy WAS a hero of mine...I backed the guy on this forum for a good while and now I feel a little foolish

He was a hero to a great many, me included (up to the first blood passport season of 2008 when watching everyone crawl up mountains switched on a light bulb in my head). You've seen the light now, be proud that this quote no longer applies to you...

"If anyone still believes he was not doping, then they believe in Santa Claus." Professor Jordan Kobritz quoted in the Guardian

You might want to change your sig though...

"What would Lance do?" Dope, lie, cheat, bully and threaten everyone in his way.

 

[rich p]

Virtual Group hug would be great thanks

Kenny great to see you and have the balls to come in. For what it's worth, many of us were duped but the scales fell from our eyes a few years sooner.

 

[ufkacbln]

Yeah but that says to me - ok guys you can go out there and dope as a team, but if all of you "grass up" the main man then you'll get a lesser ban and the main man gets shafted

They are all guilty - and have admitted it!

My point for some time, its not just about Armstrong, there is a need for a far fuller investigation of the whole peloton

Mind you, there is an interesting question to be raised, with the USADA doing deals to get evidence,,,,, what happens if the UCI decides lifetime bans are appropriate despite the deals?

 

[mickle]

My point for some time, its not just about Armstrong, there is a need for a far fuller investigation of the whole peloton

To which the response has largely been, - for some time: 'Yeah. And??'
No-one, as far as I am aware, is suggesting otherwise. So why do you still continue to bang your lonely drum?

Armstrong is the biggest fish, the most successful TdF rider of all time. And from the evidence we've long suspected and niow seen, was involved in more than just his own cheating. Why would they not hunt him down first?

What TF are you on about?

 

[smutchin]

More to the point, Lance Armstrong is an American who was riding for an American team. Hence he was the main target of the American anti-doping authority's investigation into a fraud perpetrated against the American government.

 

[Hont]

https://twitter.com/pgball/status/256754784294563840/photo/1

 

[beastie]

I would - otherwise why would I follow pro-cycling if I didn't think any of them were above suspicion? Bet my house? Cadel Evans and just about anyone on Garmin Sharp. I don't have too many doubts about most of Team Sky.

I love watching cycling, but I couldn't afford to lose my house! Yes I am fairly certain that Cuddles is clean, and you are probably right about Garmin and Sky, to which you could probably add certain French teams. I would bet my house on Sky and Garmin having NO institutionalized doping or even a "look the other way" policy. Any one doping at these squads must surely be a loose cannon.

 

[Hont]

Plus Millar finally feels able to speak his mind...

http://tinyurl.com/9a5x3us

 

[smutchin]

Wonder how long this will last...

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Millar is demanding Verbruggen resign. I'd been asking for McQuaid to go, but I forgot that Verbruggen is still Honorary President despite having stepped down as President a while back. He's far more responsible for all this than McQuaid, and there's nothing remotely honorable about him.

 

[rich p]

Another thing occurs to me with some people bleating about whether the evidence stands up to courtroom scrutiny is the total irrelevancy of that. In Spain it wasn't even a crime to take peds until recently.
In the non-sporting world it's not a crime to take an ephedrine based cold treatment or any manner of non-prescription medicines.
Allan Baxter didn't get 3months in prison for taking sinex, he got a sporting ban.
The long and the short of it for me is that Armstrong's cheating in sport has been exposed. Whether he gets prosecuted for real crimes in the USA is of lesser import.
This exposure will serve to reinforce the clean-up of modern cycling and be a serious deterrent to team-organised doping in the future. That for me is enough.