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Respect to Spartacus (though you have to wonder if he was only fooling himself if he didn't have a clue sooner)...

Remember this?

 

Noodley

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Respect to Spartacus (though you have to wonder if he was only fooling himself if he didn't have a clue sooner)...

This is the same Cancellara that rode under Riis at CSC? And was Petacchi's lead-out man at Fassa Bortolo? He's being a bit selective about who he has difficulty riding for if he's now saying he'll find it difficult to ride for Bruyneel - and he must live the life of a hermit if he didnae know before now!!
 
I still enjoy watching some of the YT videos and think regardless of the drug taking he was a great to watch, and inspired a 1000's to get on their bike, this Vid still helps me get up a few hills despite the "conviction"


And what about Harold Shipman, all the people he cured even if he did murder a few of them. And that Fred West, what a fecking builder, you never saw him on Watchdog. Then there's that Jimmy Savile, what's the odd rape or shag with an underage girl when he raised all those millions for charity.

Scandalous the way some people are picked on.
 

Andrew_P

In between here and there
Out of interest how many of today's Pro Cyclists's would you put your house on that they are racing 100% clean? Loads of threads over at The Clinic pointing the boney finger at Team Sky yet hardly a mention on here?
 

smutchin

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This is the same Cancellara that rode under Riis at CSC? And was Petacchi's lead-out man at Fassa Bortolo? He's being a bit selective about who he has difficulty riding for if he's now saying he'll find it difficult to ride for Bruyneel - and he must live the life of a hermit if he didnae know before now!!

Absolutely spot on.

However, the positive I take from this is that it's an unequivocal statement of disapproval. We need more people of Cancellara's status in the sport coming out and saying stuff like this. I don't want to go so far as to say "never mind what they've done/what they knew in the past" but statements such as this will help move the sport forwards, which is more important.

Or am I being hopelessly naive?

d.
 

Noodley

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However, the positive I take from this is that it's an unequivocal statement of disapproval. We need more people of Cancellara's status in the sport coming out and saying stuff like this. d.

We do. I have been surprised at how few have done so tbh, unless I am just not as "social media" aware as I should be and have missed it.
 

Nearly there

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Out of interest how many of today's Pro Cyclists's would you put your house on that they are racing 100% clean? Loads of threads over at The Clinic pointing the boney finger at Team Sky yet hardly a mention on here?
I believe Brailsford would like to have trust in all his riders from Sky and team GB are now clean but If a rider drifts to the dark side he can't control that can he?
 
And what about Harold Shipman, all the people he cured even if he did murder a few of them. And that Fred West, what a fecking builder, you never saw him on Watchdog. Then there's that Jimmy Savile, what's the odd rape or shag with an underage girl when he raised all those millions for charity.

Scandalous the way some people are picked on.

Do you really class cheating in a bike race on a par with rape, torture and murder?
 

Andrew_P

In between here and there
And what about Harold Shipman, all the people he cured even if he did murder a few of them. And that Fred West, what a fecking builder, you never saw him on Watchdog. Then there's that Jimmy Savile, what's the odd rape or shag with an underage girl when he raised all those millions for charity.

Scandalous the way some people are picked on.
A tad extreme analogy there old bean..

I was reasoning mainly why he will probalbly never mea culpa, he cannort afford to. I was also questioning the plea bargaining being a bit extreme, bit like letting Fred West off because he grassed Harry Shipo up
 

smutchin

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I believe Brailsford would like to have trust in all his riders from Sky and team GB are now clean but If a rider drifts to the dark side he can't control that can he?

Yes, he can - and he does. Garmin and Sky have very strong internal controls, with constant monitoring of their riders, so any suspicious changes in their blood values or performance should be quickly picked up.

David Millar talks about this in his book. One of his problems while at Cofidis was a lack of pastoral care by the team - they basically gave him a bike and some kit and told him when and where to turn up to race. When he got involved in setting up Garmin, they decided the team needed a central base, which they established in Girona. This has benefits for both team and riders - they train together, all their needs as riders are catered for, they aren't as exposed to dangerous external influences. Sky have taken this approach even further.

Then you get a team like AG2R, whose director Vincent Lavenu makes all the right antidoping noises, but doesn't provide the same level of pastoral care, so it's sad but hardly surprising when one of his riders (Steve Houanard) succumbs to the pressure to perform and does turn to the dark side.

Of course, the kind of closely controlled setup that Sky operate costs an awful lot of money to run...

d.
 
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