The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[thom]

Yes, Lance is just jumping on the band wagon

surely you mean the banned wagon

 

[Noodley]

surely you mean the banned wagon

You could get banned for that

 

[laurence]

in the words of a cycling Champion*

"is that is? is it over?"






*i don't think he had a name

 

[yello]

"is that is? is it over?"

Hell no, the party's barely started.

I wouldn't want to guess the next twist or turn but this is going to run and run. Like the plot of some day time soap, I want this to entertain me with unexpected, surreal even, plot twists. Who would have scripted UCI's independent commission to turn on the master? There are so many faces in this story line, all trying to compete and promote agendas, some currently in the shadows waiting/fearing for the wind to blow in their direction.... it's complex and could be messy if/when the whistleblower case gets going, or the feds decide to pick up those shelved files...

I do fear the damage that it will bring to today's cyclists for I do feel this is not of their era, and the times they have a-changed. The broom wagon needs to sweep up the remnants of the previous era though, both within officialdom and the teams. It's no reflection on the new breed but it has to happen.

 

[Zofo]

Go on then, your top ten of brash, aggressive, bullying sportsmen are ...?

For starters--Michael Schumacher, John McEnroe, & Tiger Woods

 

[Noodley]

For starters--Michael Schumacher, John McEnroe, & Tiger Woods

They dinnae get anywhere near Armstrong tho do they?

 

[Kins]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43EE9I8ZMFc


Full first hour if you missed it or something. Bit ropey quality wise in places. For all he doesn't or won't say it still a compelling watch.

 

[thom]

Here's a prime example of bullying :

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Hell no, the party's barely started.

I wouldn't want to guess the next twist or turn but this is going to run and run. Like the plot of some day time soap, I want this to entertain me with unexpected, surreal even, plot twists. Who would have scripted UCI's independent commission to turn on the master? There are so many faces in this story line, all trying to compete and promote agendas, some currently in the shadows waiting/fearing for the wind to blow in their direction.... it's complex and could be messy if/when the whistleblower case gets going, or the feds decide to pick up those shelved files...

I do fear the damage that it will bring to today's cyclists for I do feel this is not of their era, and the times they have a-changed. The broom wagon needs to sweep up the remnants of the previous era though, both within officialdom and the teams. It's no reflection on the new breed but it has to happen.

Yes, I feel for the younger generation who will have to live through this, especially as the end game seems to be as far away as ever. Without agreeing with Lizzie Armitstead in any way, I can appreciate why she might have spoken out about Nicole Cooke's retirement salvo. It even sounds like Mark Cavendish got into a spat with a journalist after being bombarded by a journalist with questions about LA during his team launch. Exasperating for them.

 

[Noodley]

In the words of Jim Bowen "Here's what you coulda won"....quite apt in the circumstances

 

[Kins]

Yes, I feel for the younger generation who will have to live through this, especially as the end game seems to be as far away as ever. Without agreeing with Lizzie Armitstead in any way, I can appreciate why she might have spoken out about Nicole Cooke's retirement salvo. It even sounds like Mark Cavendish got into a spat with a journalist after being bombarded by a journalist with questions about LA during his team launch. Exasperating for them.

Yep, can't see anyone getting any peace from the fallout for the next six months or so. The worst thing is people who don't follow the sport (and some that do) will tarnish others with the same brush, without knowing any facts etc.

 

[007fair]

There was an interesting story I read about 1 relatively unknown clean cyclist who had to retire early because he refused to take drugs From the LA era but not bassons. Scott something ? Anyone know? I can't find the story now .. Bit vague I know but it was posted by someone in one of the mamoth LA threads I can't trawl through them again !

 

[lukesdad]

They dinnae get anywhere near Armstrong tho do they?

I think the Badger does, and a couple of belgians I can think, of oh and wait a minute there's Roche and....

 

[Noodley]

I think the Badger does, and a couple of belgians I can think, of oh and wait a minute there's Roche and....

The Badger I would agree with.
And The Cannibal.

But not sure if Roche falls into the same category of bullying, cheating, arrogance etc due to the power struggle he endured within his own team when he won the triple. And afterwards he was nowhere near as good, and his injuries impacted on his ability. I still think Roche is in a very influential position for someone who doped and supports the culture of Omerta.

 

[lukesdad]

The Badger I would agree with.
And The Cannibal.

But not sure if Roche falls into the same category of bullying, cheating, arrogance etc due to the power struggle he endured within his own team when he won the triple. And afterwards he was nowhere near as good, and his injuries impacted on his ability. I still think Roche is in a very influential position for someone who doped and supports the culture of Omerta.

Hmm not sure your mate Kimmage would agree with you there Noods.