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[Risex4]

"Stee Gerrar Gerrard"
The greatest English player of his generation, fact.

Considering he's always been played out of position to accommodate others I think he's done well. I'm struggling to name a consistently better player over the last 12 years.

If you mean in an England shirt over those 12 years, then I just about make you right.

In club colours though? I'd put both Lamps and Terry ahead of him, amoung others. And Im not a Chelski fan by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[postman]

It's time for Refs and Linesmen to get tough on all this shirt pulling and hugging during free kicks and corners.It's not rugby gentlemen.A few red cards would sort it out.

 

[mangaman]

If you mean in an England shirt over those 12 years, then I just about make you right.

In club colours though? I'd put both Lamps and Terry ahead of him, amoung others. And Im not a Chelski fan by any stretch of the imagination.

If you're talking clubs it all changes
Over 12 years Man U have won 7, Arsenal 2 and Chelski 3 - and that with the same core of players. (Man UTD I mean)

Gerrard has won nothing important, Terry and Lampard have won 3 titles, Giggs, Scholes, Neville et al have won 7 as well as the Champions league, which Chelski and Arsenal seem further from winning than ever.

For 12 year performance over the long haul - you can't look beyong Giggs , Scholes, the Nevilles

For amazing achievements for a few seasons - Henry , Ronaldo, Beckham, Schmiechel, Drogba, and a whole lot more were amazing.

But the bottom line is Man UTD are top dogs at the moment and the best player of the last 12 years, however you look at it, must come from there.

(Much as I would love it to go to John Ruddy - he's been outstanding in goal for Norwich this year)

 

[rollinstok]

Isn't the best player for Man Utd the ref ?

 

[Risex4]

Gerrard has won nothing important

Apart from the Champions League

Wouldn't disagree with any of what you say in isolation, although my response was to ajay saying Gerrard was the best English player of his generation, which is hard to quantify.

If you included Scholes and Becks in there, then I'd put them over Gerrard quite comfortably.

If you rolled it back past the 12 years to include the likes of Schmiechel, the Alan Shearer has to take the plaudits.

If you expand that out to non-English players, then for my money; Roy Keane.

Drogba? Behave...

 

[mangaman]

Isn't the best player for Man Utd the ref ?

No

(And I'm a Norwich fan).

I think the refs are pretty good in this country (I think the ref in the Champions League semi-final Chelski-Barca was so biaised in favour of Barca it was very suspicious - but no proof of course.)

In the Prem I think it's pretty fair.

Man U get the most penalties (and Norwich the least ) but the table of pens doesn't correlate with the table as a whole.

eg Wigan have got 6 penalties this year compared to Aresnal's 2


http://www.football-lineups.com/tourn/FA_Premier_League_2011-2012/Stats/Penalties/

 

[Risex4]

(And I'm a Norwich fan).

Really? As an Exeter fan, what on earth did you do to Matt Gill?

 

[mangaman]

Apart from the Champions League

Wouldn't disagree with any of what you say in isolation, although my response was to ajay saying Gerrard was the best English player of his generation, which is hard to quantify.

If you included Scholes and Becks in there, then I'd put them over Gerrard quite comfortably.

If you rolled it back past the 12 years to include the likes of Schmiechel, the Alan Shearer has to take the plaudits.

If you expand that out to non-English players, then for my money; Roy Keane.

Drogba? Behave...

We all love to disagree.

But if I were to vote for the best forward in the last 12 years of the Prem it would be hard.

Ronaldo would be number 1 - no-one scored that many goals in 1 season.

Shearer I agree with although he retired in 2006 so his best years were more than 12 years ago.

I can't understand why you hadn't included Scholes, Becks, Giggs and the Nevilles - they formed the backbone of the best team of the last 12 years by a mile. (and are all still playing)

EDIT : sorry - forgot about Liverpool's win in the Champion's league

 

[mangaman]

Really? As an Exeter fan, what on earth did you do to Matt Gill?

Er

He was crapper than crap on his debut, then injured most of the time.

We got better, he stayed the same? Still he had a good throw (I note his Wiki entry) although that seems to be damning him with faint praise.

He was signed by the old regime - pre Lambert and (unless I've missed something) is not a Premier league player

Norwich City

Gill agreed to sign for Norwich City on 9 June 2009 on a free transfer, which came into effect on 1 July.[3] He made his debut in the opening day 7–1 defeat to Colchester United at Carrow Road. Injury blighted Gill's first season at Carrow Road, and he only managed 10 appearances in all competitions. Gill particularly impressed in the 3-0 win over Bristol Rovers on 1 May 2010. He continued his role of a substitute during the 2010-2011 Championship season, making some appearances off the bench, showcasing his long throw-ins to the fans. Gill was released by Norwich City on 1 June 2011.
Gill returned to his first club Peterborough United on 23 September 2010 on a one month loan deal[4] and made his second debut for the Posh at home to MK Dons.

As an Exeter fan I should be asking you why we signed a duff, injury prone loser who is currently playing for Bristol Rovers in the 4th division, while we have enjoyed back to back promotions and are comfortable in the Prem.

I could argue he was mis-sold, but that wa in the Bryann Gunn era - so nothing to do do with the Mcnulty/Lambert team that have have transformed us and left, inevitably, some rubbish players like Gill behind

 

[Doseone]

If you expand that out to non-English players, then for my money; Roy Keane.

I'd also include the likes of Viera, Zola and Cantona.

 

[rich p]

Just came across this poor sod getting carded for simulation/diving after cracking 3 vertebrae!

 

[simon.r]

What happened to Forest last night? A team who have scored an average of less than one goal a game this season put seven past Leeds

Funny old game innit?!

 

[ianrauk]

And what about Blackburn beating Sunderland last night?
Are they going to survive the drop?
They seem to be playing much better at the moment.
They were awful.. but then again the teams below them are rubbish.

 

[Ajay]

Yeh, I think the current bottom 3 will go down, Bolton will be galvinised by recent events and stay up.
Critical games tonight though, will the self-managing Chelsea old boys hand the title to Utd?

 

[rich p]

Yeh, I think the current bottom 3 will go down, Bolton will be galvinised by recent events and stay up.
Critical games tonight though, will the self-managing Chelsea old boys hand the title to Utd?

I don't know why Roman didn't just make JT caretaker manager for the last few months of the season