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[roubaixtuesday]

Hopefully your statement will come true but not at this time.

Fabio Capello:- 66.67% win ratio (42 games)
Gareth Southgate:- 63.94% " " (61 games)
Alf Ramsey 61.06% " " (113 games)

Source:

Sam Allardyce, 100% win ratio (1 game) is GOAT on your preferred measure!

Capello took England to one tournament. W1 D2 L1, beating only Slovenija out of Algeria, USA and their nemesis in the KO stage, Germany.

Southgate has one semi and one final to his palmares, in consecutive tournaments. I'd say Southgate's record is objectively far superior.

Ramsey has of course, The Big One to his name, bit otherwise, unless I'm mistaken, never took England beyond a quarter final.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

View: https://youtu.be/BD9ABnCRqMY


At least a decent ref didn't fall for Sterling cheating again

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Like the vast majority of those people who sing it, or more accurately just chant the chorus over and over.

Yes there is an element of anti-English (football) on here, and not just from Scotland, but it doesn't take long for terminology to slip in from the other direction which is clearly meant as a slight on Scots.......... Scotchland, Jocks, Sweaties.

All sadly predictable, very immature and all very football supporterish.

I genuinely think "It's coming home" is sung far more in hope than expectation.

 

[Milkfloat]

All about opinions of course, you may disagree . . . . but

If you only concede two goals in the whole tournament then you don't need to score so many as those conceding more. However, I agree with you Southgate only seems to want to have a maximum of one creative player on the pitch at any one time, that may work when you are already ahead, but not the rest of the time.

In addition, can I be the first to say that Kane seemed disinterested the whole tournament, as if he has had a falling out, or was preoccupied with a transfer to a proper club?

 

[HMS_Dave]

At least show the full thing

View: https://youtu.be/J1qXpoNbwl8

He stood on the ball, there was no intent. He was also booked.

Im glad you did show the full video. His aim was the other knee! It's a horror tackle which he couldn't possibly have won or gain anything from!

 

[Scaleyback]

Sam Allardyce, 100% win ratio (1 game) is GOAT on your preferred measure!

Capello took England to one tournament. W1 D2 L1, beating only Slovenija out of Algeria, USA and their nemesis in the KO stage, Germany.

Southgate has one semi and one final to his palmares, in consecutive tournaments. I'd say Southgate's record is objectively far superior.

Ramsey has of course, The Big One to his name, bit otherwise, unless I'm mistaken, never took England beyond a quarter final.

Yes, I left 'Big Sam' out because he doesn't really count. . . does he ?

" I'd say Southgate's record is objectively superior "

Ah ! I didn't realise we were discussing objective opinions, that certainly opens it up I thought we were discussing statistics.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I genuinely think "It's coming home" is sung far more in hope than expectation.

By intelligent, rational people, it probably is. But this is a football match and these are football supporters.

I love football but not necessarily all those who follow it, too many of whom probably believe what was written on the side of buses or advertising hoardings in 2016.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I thought we were discussing statistics.

Nah, that was you.

TBF I started it as a proposition that Southgate "arguably has the best record", and proposed that tournament semis was a good measure.

Now you bring the ridiculous total win record into it! Obviously, my stats are objective, whereas yours are a scurrilous cherrypick to deflect from the shocking performance against Algeria in 2010, a game still seared onto my retinas as the worst ever tournament performance by England.

Until Iceland, obviously.

I am also influenced by Southgate's rehabilitation of the England team as a happy place to be, populated by earnest hardworking young men, and his fearless facing down of political bullying.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

By intelligent, rational people, it probably is. But this is a football match and these are football supporters.

I love football but not necessarily all those who follow it, too many of whom probably believe what was written on the side of buses or advertising hoardings in 2016.

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As you mentioned (or at least alluded to) the B word, It would be interesting (though impossible to know) the split of B word adherents was in those viewing the match last night. I'm tempted to offer an opinion, knowing it cannot be challenged.

Southgate, IMO, has done a great job detoxifying the team, if not yet the entire support. The latter may even be a step too far for him!

 

[Rusty Nails]

Im glad you did show the full video. His aim was the other knee! It's a horror tackle which he couldn't possibly have won or gain anything from!

I thought the referee had a good game, especially as he didn't treat it like a game of basketball where there is supposed to be virtually no physical contact, but that tackle deserved, and would have got in any other match outside this tournament, a red card.

 

[Rusty Nails]

As you mentioned (or at least alluded to) the B word, It would be interesting (though impossible to know) the split of B word adherents was in those viewing the match last night. I'm tempted to offer an opinion, knowing it cannot be challenged.
Southgate, IMO, has done a great job detoxifying the team, if not yet the entire support. The latter may even be a step too far for him!

I assume you are not alluding to the fact that England players' supports are toxic .

Seriously, I think detoxifying football of racism/racists is way beyond him or anyone else.

 

[matticus]

the same as 1966 as been forgotten.......

They think it's all over!

 

[Scaleyback]

Nah, that was you.

TBF I started it as a proposition that Southgate "arguably has the best record", and proposed that tournament semis was a good measure.

Now you bring the ridiculous total win record into it! Obviously, my stats are objective, whereas yours are a scurrilous cherrypick to deflect from the shocking performance against Algeria in 2010, a game still seared onto my retinas as the worst ever tournament performance by England.

Until Iceland, obviously.

I am also influenced by Southgate's rehabilitation of the England team as a happy place to be, populated by earnest hardworking young men, and his fearless facing down of political bullying.

Ok, ok you need to be right more than I do so I will back away gracefully before words such as ridiculous and scurrilous degenerate.
Have a super day.

 

[Chislenko]

Are Scotland going to Qatar?
If so we will gladly cheer them on
And Wales and NI of course

Nobody has qualified for Qatar yet as the qualification games have only just started.

Thus all this talk of "Well we have the World Cup next year" is a bit premature.

 

[matticus]

I thought the referee had a good game, especially as he didn't treat it like a game of basketball where there is supposed to be virtually no physical contact, but that tackle deserved, and would have got in any other match outside this tournament, a red card.

Agreed.
The Italian was lucky not to get a red - I suspect there was some tiny doubt in the ref's mind that it was deliberate, and such things are subjective. Hrumph. (no professional would choose to make a tackle by standing on the ball).
I also think Chiolinne (sorry, spelling!) was lucky to stay on with that shirt-neck tug in the last 5mins; but that's one of the Italian skills, just stepping upto that line, without going over it (expect when absolutely necessary).

( I'm not saying ENG didn't try a few tricks themselves, and Italy did out-play them on balance too. But it was still 1-1 after 2 hours, and they missed 2 pens too, so you hardly call it a mauling ... )