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no you are just attacking innocent people
The Armstrong Lie
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Any more of that and I'll sue 
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If you knew what you were on about then you'd not get mixed up. Unless you're on drugs. And then I'd understand your last few posts better
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Not on drugs, just tired. You have a case of the Andreus to be throwing such suggestions about without extraordinary proof....,
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You're doing a good job of attacking those people that were against him. Which is pretty much the same as defending him in my book.
Yeh sure, and emotional?
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Totally Different to me. I question their motivation, not their end result. I look at these things from the path of least resistance. Them going for the biggest prize, rather than building up to take down Armstrong , in my opinion, makes their motivation more ego driven than it being selfless.
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You clearly have no understanding then if that is your view.
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no understanding of what exactly?
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then you ignored my reply, where I said Betsy could have said no to Walsh.
The other thing that gets missed is that Armstrong was part of a whole new type of "sportsman"
Simpson, and all the generations that followed doped, cheated, evaded and fiddled drugs tests, denied any wrongdoing and covered up..... none of that has changed, and was part of the sport. Cycling was also not unique in this.
What has changed is the rewards
There were no sportsmen earning a billion dollars , no multimillion dollar businesses built on the sporting achievements
This changes the game. With any bigger reward comes bigger pressure to perform, greater pressure to increase your times.
This in turn means that sportsmen will take greater risks to achieve this, have more to protect, and more to lose.
Greater steps will then be taken to prevent exposure.
Armstrong was the most extreme example of this, but how many others are there out there, operating at a lower level, but still operating
When it was pointed out that Simpson was "of his time", perhaps in this new more aggressive, more corrupt world of sport - Armstrong is also "of his time"
In the same way as Simpson's death was a landmark in the drugs saga, perhaps we should take Armstrong as a turning point as well....
Simpson, and all the generations that followed doped, cheated, evaded and fiddled drugs tests, denied any wrongdoing and covered up..... none of that has changed, and was part of the sport. Cycling was also not unique in this.
What has changed is the rewards
There were no sportsmen earning a billion dollars , no multimillion dollar businesses built on the sporting achievements
This changes the game. With any bigger reward comes bigger pressure to perform, greater pressure to increase your times.
This in turn means that sportsmen will take greater risks to achieve this, have more to protect, and more to lose.
Greater steps will then be taken to prevent exposure.
Armstrong was the most extreme example of this, but how many others are there out there, operating at a lower level, but still operating
When it was pointed out that Simpson was "of his time", perhaps in this new more aggressive, more corrupt world of sport - Armstrong is also "of his time"
In the same way as Simpson's death was a landmark in the drugs saga, perhaps we should take Armstrong as a turning point as well....
Holy Christ.
Lived from allegedly 1 AD to about 33 AD, depending on source.......and as far as I am aware had no connection to pro-cycling
Neither....
I do have issues with the way that Simpson is excused for his sins and idolised by some and that pointing out he was a cheat is unpopular, and seen as "trolling" simply because it is off a closed agenda.
However a posthumous ban is not going to achieve anything, and lessons were learnt, this is something that we need to do now.
As for Armstrong, I have no desire for leniency, however the view of him as some sort of unique hyper-villian clouds a lot of other issues.
We need to learn what happened and apply this to the future to stop it happening again, and that means investigating an awful lot deeper than Armstrong
