TFL Die In
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What's the betting none of you will make the protest ?
We certainly did .... I see you got there before us!
stowie
Legendary Member
I was there, but managed to see no-one I would recognise from your pics on here - was around the side of the TfL building. I did see someone with a cyclechat shirt on but he was too far away to try to say hello.
I didn't see the naked man either - I must say that took courage in this weather...
I didn't see the naked man either - I must say that took courage in this weather...
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
I know it's mild for November but tell that naked chappie that it's still November!
TwickenhamCyclist
Guest
Great to take part and great to meet some fellow forum members.
stowie
Legendary Member
Andrew Gilligans response to tonight's protest is here.
I must say I didn't attend because I am in a dialogue of the deaf. I attended because I use CS2 several times a week and TfL managed to spend a small fortune on something that is utter sh!t and frequently actually makes matters worse, not better for cyclists. And that their response to the danger at Bow was to instigate a confusing system which makes cyclists wait twice at the lights because traffic flow is more important than putting in decent cycle and pedestrian lights (which could be easily combined to make a very reasonable crossing). I also went because the response to cyclists dying in collisions with HGVS was to start fining cyclists and talking about high viz and plastic hats.
I don't agree with everything said at the rally - if you could find an agenda that over 1000 people agreed with in its entirety I would be surprised. But asking to not have to share the roads with lorries that don't have mirrors to eliminate blind spots in a crowded city like London doesn't sound like asking for the moon on a stick. Hell, it would be quite nice to not have to share the roads with some HGV drivers who have been found to be p!ssed, half blind, driving unlicensed or on the phone after they have killed someone.
Gilligan has a nerve. I gave the benefit of the doubt when he talked about knee-jerk reactions , although cyclists (and pedestrians) have been disproportionately dying with HGV collisions for years. But with this article he can fek off.
I must say I didn't attend because I am in a dialogue of the deaf. I attended because I use CS2 several times a week and TfL managed to spend a small fortune on something that is utter sh!t and frequently actually makes matters worse, not better for cyclists. And that their response to the danger at Bow was to instigate a confusing system which makes cyclists wait twice at the lights because traffic flow is more important than putting in decent cycle and pedestrian lights (which could be easily combined to make a very reasonable crossing). I also went because the response to cyclists dying in collisions with HGVS was to start fining cyclists and talking about high viz and plastic hats.
I don't agree with everything said at the rally - if you could find an agenda that over 1000 people agreed with in its entirety I would be surprised. But asking to not have to share the roads with lorries that don't have mirrors to eliminate blind spots in a crowded city like London doesn't sound like asking for the moon on a stick. Hell, it would be quite nice to not have to share the roads with some HGV drivers who have been found to be p!ssed, half blind, driving unlicensed or on the phone after they have killed someone.
Gilligan has a nerve. I gave the benefit of the doubt when he talked about knee-jerk reactions , although cyclists (and pedestrians) have been disproportionately dying with HGV collisions for years. But with this article he can fek off.
TwickenhamCyclist
Guest
I went to school with Gilligan (Greycourt School, Ham 80 to 85) he was a twat then as well.
TwickenhamCyclist
Guest
I must apologies about my above post.
I wrote it without reading Gilligan's piece.
I automatically assumed that, based upon his past journalistic endeavors, coupled with personal experience, what lead to the conclusion that his opinion was that of a total twat was somewhat justified. Having read the drivel, and remembered back bit more, I can conclude its total fiddle
I wrote it without reading Gilligan's piece.
I automatically assumed that, based upon his past journalistic endeavors, coupled with personal experience, what lead to the conclusion that his opinion was that of a total twat was somewhat justified. Having read the drivel, and remembered back bit more, I can conclude its total fiddle
Firestorm
Veteran
- Location
- Southend on Sea
- A ban on vehicles whose drivers cannot see adjacent road-users
All road users should not proceed further than they can observe the nearest road user , not the vehicle but the road user.
The onus being on the user who is not stationary having responsiblity not to manoevre
their vehicle into a position where either they or the statonary road user can not observe them
I have seen large vehicles with signs on saying if you cant see my mirrors i cant see you.
This is an extension of that common sense approach
Black Country Ste
Senior Member
- Location
- West Midlands
It was good to come down and take part in this. The focus is on London and the spate of recent deaths there but in the same period another five cyclists were killed across the country. Where the smoke goes, the rest of the country follows. It was important to add a body to the numbers for the sake of making UK roads fit for people.
stowie
Legendary Member
That would be interesting to see with car drivers who, using this rule, wouldn't be able to overtake lorries in the second lane of motorways, queue next to them or indeed wait less than around 15 feet behind them. How would lorry drivers in a multi-lane queue not put other vehicles in their blind spot as they moved faster relative to other lanes? If a lorry was first in the queue at a pedestrian crossing presumably pedestrians wouldn't be able to use the pedestrian crossing as they would go through the lorry's front blind spot (unless they have a front mirror fitted). As I cycle down a bus lane then I assume I wouldn't be able to progress past an HGV in the general traffic queue as it may mean I go through a blind spot?
The fact is that, in a busy city such as London, road users in all types of transport will be entering a large vehicle's blind spot as they negotiate the road. To completely avoid this would be impossible. One can do what one can such as not filtering left past HGVs at junctions and trying to wait outside the blind spot area, but I think everyone who cycles in London has had cases where the lorry has arrived as you are waiting in the ASL and you realise with dread that the driver now cannot possibly see you. And this is advice for survival not a blueprint for how the problem should be tackled. The makers and users of these large vehicles are building and using these vehicles and bringing this danger to other road users. It is their responsibility to mitigate this danger, something which can actually be done to a large extent without vast sums of money having to be spent.
arallsopp
Post of The Year 2009 winner
- Location
- Bromley, Kent
Fairly likely that was me. If he looked extremely cold, it was definitely me. The CC attire is good for drawing out other members. I shared a few moments with @BentMikey and the Lady Jane.
