Telescopic Baton

[asterix]

I never understood why, when I lived next to Moss Side, we were never burgled. The previous occupant was allegedly burgled 3 times in a year and the house security was not up to much even afterwards. I'm fairly sure we wouldn't have been as brave as some posters on here since people were starting to use shotguns in Moss Side around that time.

Anyway ceteris paribus, I'd rather be burgled than have my house burnt down.

 

[col]

I never understood why, when I lived next to Moss Side, we were never burgled. The previous occupant was allegedly burgled 3 times in a year and the house security was not up to much even afterwards. I'm fairly sure we wouldn't have been as brave as some posters on here since people were starting to use shotguns in Moss Side around that time.

Anyway ceteris paribus, I'd rather be burgled than have my house burnt down.

Rest assured I would be swinging with fear :-)

 

[martint235]

I agree, the president has been set when a man was found not guilty of killing a burglar who broke into his property. But it was shown, if I remember right that it was unintentional.So when we lose control with fear for our families and ourselves, I for one won't be worrying if the burglar is seriously hurt.They choose to do an illegal,and it's been shown, very dangerous thing, if they can't take the heat?

Herein lies the issue (although not what this thread was originally about). I asked on a thread about red light jumping if breaking the law therefore puts you outside the law and in a position where you cannot and should not expect protection from the law.

It is generally thought that this is not the case although as you say a precedent has been set. I would expect the precedent to be challenged a number of times yet before it becomes accepted.

I could argue that pulling out in front of me when patently the way is not clear is an illegal and dangerous thing (particularly to me) but I also accept (from the advice on here) that it doesn't give me the right to carry a telescopic baton and start smashing windows. C'est la vie (and I got to work this morning without even swearing at a driver let alone getting off my bike)

 

[Dan B]

Herein lies the issue (although not what this thread was originally about). I asked on a thread about red light jumping if breaking the law therefore puts you outside the law and in a position where you cannot and should not expect protection from the law.

As a general principle, no, it doesn't

 

[Dan B]

. Who is going to prove that these objects if used were meant as weapons? I've taken his thought on this and used it in my home too.

Anyone who needs to prove such a thing has just had their job made much easier by your admission...

 

[martint235]

As a general principle, no, it doesn't

Yep again. I think we generally agree although on occasion I do think you should be outside the law. This is, just to tell people who already know, what outlaw means. It's more to do with the fact you can't call on protection than you being a lawbreaker.

I don't think RLJ qualifies for this but if you threaten a person, their family or their home, we should at least consider it an option.

 

[Cubist]

STORE: HAL987 This may sound like a strange request, but I am currently dealing with a correspondent who tells me that prior to your relocating to Shroggs Road it was possible to buy Security Industry Safety Equipment, and he quotes Handcuffs, Stab Proof Vests and Friction Lock batons from your Pellon Lane Store. Can you please make enquiries and tell me whether B&Q have ever sold any such equipment?

Dear Mr Cubist, Thank you for your email. The safety equipment we have is work related such as steel toe boots, gloves etc we have never stocked the products you are referring to. I hope this helps with your enquiry. Kind regards Linda McConnell B&Q customer service Co-Ordinator.







Just sayin'

 

[Drago]

An acquaintance of mine had things hid in most rooms which were easy to hand if needed. IE a baseball bat,a golf club,a cricket bat and a two foot length of scaffold pipe. He told me because of the high burglary rate in the town he wasn't gonna be a victim . Who is going to prove that these objects if used were meant as weapons? I've taken his thought on this and used it in my home too.The main reason being that you don't know what an intruders intentions are,or if they are numb and high on whatever? I would have no hesitation swinging like an American pro if I was confronted with a stranger in my home.

And once again, these are weapons of almost zero utility indoors because of the restrictions on swinging them.

And even if they are any good, if Saddam the Burglar is bigger than you the likelyhood is they'll take it off you and stick it round your head.

In my career of almost a quarter century ive only encountered 2 examples where a victim has successfully used force. The ratio of people who attempt it and fail compared to those who succeed is hundreds, possibly thousands to one.

All this talk of weapons and mates with caches of weapons is ridiculous, chest beating talk. You're all but guaranteed to fail. Indeed, success is so unusual you'll inevitably make the tv news.

The really clever person takes steps to either secure themselves, or gets out sharp ish. This talk of tooling up and facing them down like John Wayne is utterly idiotic.

 

[Cubist]

Heed him, for he is wise.

 

[col]

Anyone who needs to prove such a thing has just had their job made much easier by your admission...

Admission to what, that ill defend my family and home using whatever is to hand? It doesn't prove anything, it shows ill not let an intruder hurt myself or my family, and not knowing the intruders intentions means fear and survival and how persistent the intruder is, dictates the outcome. Hopefully without fatalities either way. But I'd happily tell the police I'm not willing to sit and watch what an intruder wants to do to my home or family before I do whatever I can to negate the perceived danger.

 

[Dan B]

Admission to what,

Admission that you intended to use the said objects as weapons

 

[col]

And once again, these are weapons of almost zero utility indoors because of the restrictions on swinging them.

And even if they are any good, if Saddam the Burglar is bigger than you the likelyhood is they'll take it off you and stick it round your head.

In my career of almost a quarter century ive only encountered 2 examples where a victim has successfully used force. The ratio of people who attempt it and fail compared to those who succeed is hundreds, possibly thousands to one.

All this talk of weapons and mates with caches of weapons is ridiculous, chest beating talk. You're all but guaranteed to fail. Indeed, success is so unusual you'll inevitably make the tv news.

The really clever person takes steps to either secure themselves, or gets out sharp ish. This talk of tooling up and facing them down like John Wayne is utterly idiotic.

If I stumble on an intruder what do you suggest, ask them to wait a few minutes so I can wake my family and get them out of the house while you burgle us. Or what if they had something else in mind? Let them tie me up? Your view on it being chest thumping is a good one when you talk about loudmouthed people who have no real intention of defending themselves with gusto, but would possibly do what you seem to be suggesting, let them do what they want to you your home or your family. In other words they are bluffing. Most people take steps to secure themselves and still end up being a victim. If you want to run away and leave your family to an intruder that might have more than an iPad on his mind, that's your choice, but I choose to stay and stop them if I can.

 

[col]

Admission that you intended to use the said objects as weapons

Your point being?

 

[Saddle bum]

A BIC style biro pen is as good a self defence implement if you know how to use it.

 

[col]

A BIC style biro pen is as good a self defence implement if you know how to use it.

If you feel you can face an intruder in the dark with no knowledge of what he has and how stong his conviction is with a biro ? Chapeau ;-) Or have you been watching the Bourne film? :-)