Telescopic Baton

[Cubist]

Nope, from my understanding of the helpful responses, as soon as you intend to use it as a weapon it'll become illegal. I suppose if you're taking a beating and say you instinctively used it to protect yourself you'd be ok. However my ideas were purely offensive /deterrent based

Indeed. It becomes an offensive weapon as soon as you formulate the intent to use it as such, but you would have the statutory and common law defences around the use of force to save you from prosecution, as long as you can justify that use of force, and the force was seen to be reasonable in the circumstances.

 

[Drago]

Nope, from my understanding of the helpful responses, as soon as you intend to use it as a weapon it'll become illegal. I suppose if you're taking a beating and say you instinctively used it to protect yourself you'd be ok. However my ideas were purely offensive /deterrent based

The law allows for "instant arming", where a victim gropes blindly out and grabs a random object, and then twots his assailant with it.

However, if you're already planning ahead in your mind and think "if Saddam the Robber comes to visit I'll stick this Abus D lock round his gourd" then even though it's an otherwise completely legal item with a legitimate reason as a cyclist for possessing it, you commit the offence. Of course, proving it is another matter and the only people who win out of such arguments are solicitors.

If you do have such a legitimate object, and you do plan in your mind to use it as a weapon if trouble comes-a-calling, then tell no one. That way no one can prove you had any Mens Rea, arriss covered.

Still and all, if the brown stuff hits the bladed rotating object your best bet is always to try and get the hell out of there. Johnny Scumbag will be hopped up on Lord knows what drugs, pumped full of adrenaline, and probably has less moral barriers that might make him hesitate fractionally and give an advantage. Avoid weapons unless you're really, uber, incredibly depserate, and in the vast majority of cases (and were talking 99+ % of cases here) it's going to end up sticking out of your skull, not theirs. All the tough talk about "I/my mate is an expert jap slapper/ex SAS/cage fighter" is invariably utter tosh. None of those things give any consistent advantage in an unexpected combat scenrario. Placing distance between you and trouble is the best way.

 

[Cubist]

Yeah, but "if any one touches my shed I'm gonna run like f*ck" doesn't have quite the same air of heroic menace, now does it?

 

[classic33]

Have you had the cancellation email from Niton yet?

Not yet. Last email titled "Interesting Pages on Facebook", 19:08 today.
Have you had the order cancelled then. But then if you had, you'd not be seeking pictures would you.
And as far as I'm concerned, I'd say I'm a mushroom, with all the bullsh.t the local force use. But hey ho.

 

[Cubist]

How can I cancel your order?

 

[neil earley]

Where is it all going to end then , take a beating 1st then defend yourself if you are able too!! rather turn the tables on your opponent myself, I am not a thug and dont condone violence unless its enevitable and cant avoid it .Cut a long story short having been on the recieving end of a fight when I was a teenager, { black eye , broken nose , stiches to my inside of lip} my dad asked me what happened ,Told him arguement had started and I let the guy hit me 1st, didnt tell him he kicked me on the floor untill he was tired! My dad said to me : Allways try and talk you way out if you can , if not say to him that you are not going to fight him at any cost, when he relaxes his stance ie drops his hands down to his side , unclenches his fist, Hit him as hard as you can with the first blow , this will give you and advantage either to run or show him you will not be intimidated!! Best advice I had from my dad, later in life learned Aikido with my best friend who still at the age 56 practises to this day ,taught me a lot about disipline and how to defend myself.PS the guy who beat me up was a school bully he left me alone when he tried to to it again a year later when I gained the upper hand, I never kicked him just used my hands. Things have changed a lot since then thugs carry weapons and use them , please be carefull best to run away if you can and call for help is good advise or try to keep out of harms way.

 

[classic33]

How can I cancel your order?

You talked of a cancellation e-mail.

Have you had the cancellation email from Niton yet?

 

[Cubist]

No, I asked Niton what would happen if they got an order without a Police or Crown Agency purchase order, and they said they would send a cancellation email.

 

[Cubist]

I've just rung Niton who inform me that any online order made without a Police or other Crown agency purchase order will receive a cancellation email.

When did B&Q sell telescopic batons?

 

[Dan B]

Yeah, but "if any one touches my shed I'm gonna run like f*ck" doesn't have quite the same air of heroic menace, now does it?

You mean 'if anyone puts a hand on my car', surely?

Oops, sorry, wrong thread

 

[JoeyB]

If JohnnyScumbag broke into my house, he'd have to deal with JoeyBastard lol

(swear filter fail)

 

[classic33]

No, I asked Niton what would happen if they got an order without a Police or Crown Agency purchase order, and they said they would send a cancellation email.

So long as the money taken is returned as quick as it was taken I'm not bothered about a cancellation e-mail. That e-mail would only prove that payment was taken for an order that they are not wanting to complete.

 

[cd365]

Do you have a dog called Wellard? I can appreciate why you would think that. but at the same time is it really worth getting yourself killed over a telly or your car keys. Is it bollocks frankly. Now if me or my family were at risk of violence obviously I would retaliate but buggered if i'm going to get myself killed over a telly or whatever

I think you're renting too many Bronson DVDs.

Some halfwitted teenager burgles your house and you're happy to murder him?

If someone breaks into my house whilst I'm there then that would probably mean that my family is there, I would treat that as a direct attack on me, my family and my property. I would not stand idly by and let them take what they wanted. If they want what I have they can do what I do and work hard to get what I have, if they decide to take what I have earnt then they better be prepared to earn it the hard way.

I have had a burglar brazenly walk into my kitchen whilst the family was eating dinner in the dining room next door, my children were young at the time and had just finished and were going in the kitchen and started screaming hysterically at someone who was in the kitchen. If I had caught him I would probably be in prison now and I told the police as such after they spotted the weapon I had taken to search for him. This halfwitted teenage burglar was a career criminal in his 30s who due to the time it took the police to arrange an ID parade (8 months later, he was arrested in a local street) my children could no longer accurately identify him.

I have been burgled a few times and have had a few attempted burglaries (the joy of living in a city) and the emotional damage that left on my wife/children took months to get over. So I have no sympathy for any scumbag who decides to break into someone's house, no matter their age and ends up getting more than they bargained for.

So yes I will stand by my statement that if they break into my house they will leave in a box.

 

[col]

I agree, the president has been set when a man was found not guilty of killing a burglar who broke into his property. But it was shown, if I remember right that it was unintentional.So when we lose control with fear for our families and ourselves, I for one won't be worrying if the burglar is seriously hurt.They choose to do an illegal,and it's been shown, very dangerous thing, if they can't take the heat?

 

[col]

An acquaintance of mine had things hid in most rooms which were easy to hand if needed. IE a baseball bat,a golf club,a cricket bat and a two foot length of scaffold pipe. He told me because of the high burglary rate in the town he wasn't gonna be a victim . Who is going to prove that these objects if used were meant as weapons? I've taken his thought on this and used it in my home too.The main reason being that you don't know what an intruders intentions are,or if they are numb and high on whatever? I would have no hesitation swinging like an American pro if I was confronted with a stranger in my home.