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Yeah, bit frustrating isn't it? Here's my effort! Invalid, my ass! lol.
Mr Cranky
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Apologies for joining this thread. I bought the Bkool trainer a couple of weeks ago in a bid to re start my cycling again after a few years away. After some searching on the web I found this forum as I was looking for a UK based Bkool group. Am I able to join any group or leagues or is it invite only?
As far as I know, all are welcome Mr C. I think its just a case of the group/league admin (Pascual) adding you to the list. Not sure if Pascual is around at the moment though.
Well here's my summary from stage two
Summary
Attempt state
invalid
League
Cycling Around the World
Stage
Stage 2
Stage start date
23/11/2014
Stage end date
29/11/2014
Upload date
25/11/2014
User
Rayvon
Physical condition
PhysicalCondition.AMATEUR_1
Weight
207.23 lb
Distance
12.75 mi
Actual time
0:50:51,8
Adjusted time
0:50:51,8
Time adjustments
This attempt's time has not been adjusted
Validation results
Rule Result Value found Expected value
Time improved
0 <= 0
Average heart rate
0.0 >= 60
Heart rate within limits
0% <= 90%
Average cadence
85.7543 >= 40
Cadence within limits
0% <= 90%
Low velocity (paused)
3.984 <= 20
Lost signal
3051.824 <= 10
Session completed
Yes Yes
Reception delay
0 <= 48
Reception after end date
25/11/2014 < 29/11/2014
Coherent weight
93997 not checked
Rode on the 25th as per the calender, but notice that the lost signal gives x, can only presume that the software thinks the signal was lost during the ride, i didn't ever see this whilst riding. I've had the same thing on both stages now so they aren't valid. Getting a little peaved.
Hi Rayvon,
I started setting up a test group with only me in it to see what was required for the set up. What you posted above under Rule Result Value found Expected value are all editable values for the setup. Anything outwith these set up parameters will not show in the results. In my case and yours too I assume, we are not running with heart rate monitors so although we're probably north of 160 bpm we are showing as zero and are therefore being kicked out of the results. For us to show in the results would be required that the heart rate parameter be set to zero. I also had the same Lost Signal X as you and it was a high number like yours so to show in the results it should probably be set to something high like 10000. So looks like its all about set up by the administrator rather than the way in which the session was accessed.
Ideally it would be good if Pascual could go back in and edit the above parameters. I'd suggest "0" for Heart rate & 10000 for Lost signal.
Thanks Pascual, if you could possibly make those changes.
However, Things get more confusing when you look at my attempt in the Tour of Britain League where I have the same Heart rate X and Signal X but the attempt is later accepted in the results. I think the administrator can review the attempts and decide to accept the ones with X's.
Classification attempt
Summary
Attempt state
valid
League
Tour of Britain 2014
Stage
Stage 4
Stage start date
09/11/2014
Stage end date
22/11/2014
Upload date
10/11/2014
User
Bill S
Physical condition
PhysicalCondition.AMATEUR_1
Weight
172.00 lb
Distance
18.56 mi
Actual time
0:48:56,9
Adjusted time
0:48:56,9
Time adjustments
This attempt's time has not been adjusted
Validation results
Rule Result Value found Expected value
Time improved
Check if the user improved his best time in this stage
0 <= 0
Average heart rate
Lower limit of average heart rate. Heart rates below this value are not valid
0.0 >= 60
Heart rate within limits
Percentage of samples in which the heart rate is within the correct limits
0% <= 90%
Average cadence
Lower limit of average cadence. Cadence below this value is not valid
85.0023 >= 40
Cadence within limits
Percentage of samples in which the cadence is within the correct limits
0% <= 90%
Low velocity (paused)
Time in seconds with zero speed
0 <= 20
Lost signal
Maximum time in seconds of sequential samples which repeat the same speed and power values, or heart rate or cadence signal goes to 0 value.
2936.968 <= 10
Session completed
The session was completed
Yes Yes
Reception delay
(hours) The sessions should not be validated if received after this limit
0 <= 48
Reception after end date
The sessions should not be validated if received after the configured time
10/11/2014 < 22/11/2014
Coherent weight
The user's weight should remain constant throughout the league
78017 not checked
Classification attempt
Summary
Attempt state
valid
League
Tour of Britain 2014
Stage
Stage 4
Stage start date
09/11/2014
Stage end date
22/11/2014
Upload date
10/11/2014
User
Bill S
Physical condition
PhysicalCondition.AMATEUR_1
Weight
172.00 lb
Distance
18.56 mi
Actual time
0:48:56,9
Adjusted time
0:48:56,9
Time adjustments
This attempt's time has not been adjusted
Validation results
Rule Result Value found Expected value
Time improved
Check if the user improved his best time in this stage
Average heart rate
Lower limit of average heart rate. Heart rates below this value are not valid
Heart rate within limits
Percentage of samples in which the heart rate is within the correct limits
Average cadence
Lower limit of average cadence. Cadence below this value is not valid
Cadence within limits
Percentage of samples in which the cadence is within the correct limits
Low velocity (paused)
Time in seconds with zero speed
Lost signal
Maximum time in seconds of sequential samples which repeat the same speed and power values, or heart rate or cadence signal goes to 0 value.
Session completed
The session was completed
Reception delay
(hours) The sessions should not be validated if received after this limit
Reception after end date
The sessions should not be validated if received after the configured time
Coherent weight
The user's weight should remain constant throughout the league
Aha!
Thats what has happened to me as well for my first ride then. If I remember correctly I lost internet connection about 10 mins before the end, I still was able to save the ride, but it must then give a false parameter.. Well done Bill
berty bassett
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i haven't done the first one - i don't know if i could and it be counted - maybe someone could put me right .also does anyone know if the machine time outs of internet after a while as there should be no trouble with signal but seems to log out around 45 mins
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Mine certainly doesn't appear to drop the connection after any set time, touch wood. Which is why the lost signal anomaly is so strange! And nice work Bill, if your research yields results. We shall now just have to await Pascual, and see how it pans out!
berty bassett
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Nice one Bill, hopefully Pascual can verify this. How about setting a fake league up that this could be tested on by us all, say run it over the weekend, short mile long course then post the parameters that were used to create the league if we're all successful at completing we could hopefully gain a better understanding of the system before we waste our rides.
Yeah it was starting to get to me wondering why most of the results weren't showing so had to try and figure it out. Good idea about setting a fake league up. I'll try to do that tomorrow if I'm not busy at work (like today 
). I did start to set up a league and got as far as the parameters. It seemed difficult to pick the stages but I should figure that out. I should be able to make an open league so anyone can do it and use short rides, but don't know if I can find any only a mile long. Maybe one ride Saturday and one Sunday. We'll get this theory tested hopefully.
). I did start to set up a league and got as far as the parameters. It seemed difficult to pick the stages but I should figure that out. I should be able to make an open league so anyone can do it and use short rides, but don't know if I can find any only a mile long. Maybe one ride Saturday and one Sunday. We'll get this theory tested hopefully.Yeah it was starting to get to me wondering why most of the results weren't showing so had to try and figure it out. Good idea about setting a fake league up. I'll try to do that tomorrow if I'm not busy at work (like today
That would be good to test, I just meant to use a course with something like a mile to keep the distance down in case people had something else they needed to do. You choose the course mate, after all your the one spending your time doing this which is much appreciated
Ok that seems to be the test set up.
The group is "open" so should be able to join without invites. Its called "Ride Test Group".
The league within the group is called "Test Rides". The rides are pretty short. They are spaced between tomorrow and Monday and there is either 3 or 4. So starting tomorrow the rides should start to show up under "Group" in the BSIM software. Parameters are set as discussed so we should all show in the results hopefully. Apparently the first ride is a dummy so not sure if its a real stage or not so I've set first 2 stages to start tomorrow.
Please let me know if you guys can see the Group and League and we'll take it from there.
