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Breedon

Legendary Member
I reckon that there are underlying issues.
It's possible that the high volume of greyed out times that we have seen lately, or at least the amount of time it takes them to become fully uploaded to the bkool website is a sign of a bigger issue which is why the league is not updated.
They need more servers but can't afford it type
 

Bored Man

Upstanding Member
Location
Arrochar
They need more servers but can't afford it type

I agree - that's why they stopped converting to 3D..
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
I agree - that's why they stopped converting to 3D..
The ride I did on Saturday was converted to 3D.

Silly thing about this (as has been pointed out before I'm sure) is it's a route I've ridden many times before so is already on there. Every time you do the same route they get a duplicate!
 

peterob

Veteran
Location
Chester
The ride I did on Saturday was converted to 3D.

Silly thing about this (as has been pointed out before I'm sure) is it's a route I've ridden many times before so is already on there. Every time you do the same route they get a duplicate!
Yep - I've noticed this too. I pretty much do the same commute each day and record using strava. These routes all then seem get synced and duplicated on Bkool - two every day!

I reckon it must be me overloading their servers then ^_^
 

gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
The ride I did on Saturday was converted to 3D.

Silly thing about this (as has been pointed out before I'm sure) is it's a route I've ridden many times before so is already on there. Every time you do the same route they get a duplicate!

Some of the things they do are VERY difficult to understand... like repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot for no good reason.

You would think they would figure it out and stop doing it?

Converting every ride linked from Strava to a public course, some in 3D, no matter how many times it has been done before, is just not sensible!

We all know this, it's not hard to figure it out, why would they continue doing it? I'd love to talk to their Product Manager, Chief Designer, whatever.
 

gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
On a more relevant and less futile issue, I have been wondering about what I can do to improve my sustained power while keeping my heart rate within limits?

After 4-5 months of chasing @BILL S and @Add up Alphe d'Huez, etc. I was able to sustain around 300 Watts on a KICKR (so probably more on a Bkool), but after a year not cycling, and now that I have to keep my heart rate below around 150-160, I have to back off to around half that (or less), and anything sustained over 10% is pretty much ruled out. I'd like to get up the hills around here to get access to the longer rides beyond them, hills like the Merry Harriers, which is around 1.3 km and sustains 12-14%, so I need to strengthen my legs, and improve the efficiency of my cardio vascular system.

Two years ago, when I was Active 10, I could ride up that hill gently with my heart rate around 145-150 (chatting to my Wife and her friends), so it should still be possible, if I can get fitter/stronger. Also, my resting heart rate had fallen into the 40's but now is back around 70 as it always used to be.

So I need exercises or cycling routines that will strengthen my legs and increase my FTP, but without exerting myself. High intensity training is just too dangerous for me.

I have also been thinking about cadence, as I know high cadence is a way of transferring effort away from the leg muscles to the cardio vascular system, and this worked well for me in the past. However, it seems that high cadence increases the heart rate, so logically, if I train at lower cadence could I reduce my heart rate and hopefully strengthen my leg muscles?

Anything that puts up heart rate or blood pressure must be avoided, but it would be nice to be able to ride up the middling climbs, even if at a more moderate pace than I used to manage.

Geoff
 
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Bored Man

Upstanding Member
Location
Arrochar
The ride I did on Saturday was converted to 3D.

Silly thing about this (as has been pointed out before I'm sure) is it's a route I've ridden many times before so is already on there. Every time you do the same route they get a duplicate!

Every time I cycle real world the ride is immediately accepted by bkool however, there is always the same excuse why it cannot be converted. Uneven or gradients too steep. It used to work ( as with everything bkool) but now doesn't. Perhaps my rides are being sacrificed so your commutes can continue to be converted... multiple times..
 

BILL S

Guru
Location
London
I have also been thinking about cadence, as I know high cadence is a way of transferring effort away from the leg muscles to the cardio vascular system, and this worked well for me in the past. However, it seems that high cadence increases the heart rate, so logically, if I train at lower cadence could I reduce my heart rate and hopefully strengthen my leg muscles?

This would seem to be logical. Low cadence and high force/torque is definitely easier on the heart and lungs compared to high cadence and low force/torque. I think your legs may start to hurt before your heart rate goes too high but of course it'll depend on what cadence you decide to go for. You'll need to avoid standing up on the pedals of course as that'll get your heart racing.
Another possibility or something worth experimenting with may be to lower your seat enough so that your legs hurt more which'll perhaps help prevent your HR going into the red. I'd make a chart with watts, cadence and HR which might help you to find the optimum values to work with.
 

bobinski

Legendary Member
Location
Tulse Hill
On a more relevant and less futile issue, I have been wondering about what I can do to improve my sustained power while keeping my heart rate within limits?

After 4-5 months of chasing @BILL S and @Add up Alphe d'Huez, etc. I was able to sustain around 300 Watts on a KICKR (so probably more on a Bkool), but after a year not cycling, and now that I have to keep my heart rate below around 150-160, I have to back off to around half that (or less), and anything sustained over 10% is pretty much ruled out. I'd like to get up the hills around here to get access to the longer rides beyond them, hills like the Merry Harriers, which is around 1.3 km and sustains 12-14%, so I need to strengthen my legs, and improve the efficiency of my cardio vascular system.

Two years ago, when I was Active 10, I could ride up that hill gently with my heart rate around 145-150 (chatting to my Wife and her friends), so it should still be possible, if I can get fitter/stronger. Also, my resting heart rate had fallen into the 40's but now is back around 70 as it always used to be.

So I need exercises or cycling routines that will strengthen my legs and increase my FTP, but without exerting myself. High intensity training is just too dangerous for me.

I have also been thinking about cadence, as I know high cadence is a way of transferring effort away from the leg muscles to the cardio vascular system, and this worked well for me in the past. However, it seems that high cadence increases the heart rate, so logically, if I train at lower cadence could I reduce my heart rate and hopefully strengthen my leg muscles?

Anything that puts up heart rate or blood pressure must be avoided, but it would be nice to be able to ride up the middling climbs, even if at a more moderate pace than I used to manage.

Geoff

Geoff,
Bit left field but have you thought about contacting Trainer Road and asking them? While they may have not come up against your specific health issue they may have sufficent experience and knowledge to give some sensible guidance and perhaps even workouts that would help you achieve your aim.
 

CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
Geoff, I believe gearing down to MTB setup allows you to spin without over stressing either legs or heart. Trying to climb a steep hill with slow cadence is just as hard on the heart and lungs when it becomes a grind. Spinning at 85+rpm with low effort will get you up any hill albeit slowly. I know it can look silly spinning at slow speeds, but as you say you have to keep your heart rate under a threshold you've set.

I can only comment after watching my in-law struggle in Tenerife when he ran out of available gearing and had to grind, he was blowing, I had 2 gears left and was far more comfortable spinning.
 

Bored Man

Upstanding Member
Location
Arrochar
This would seem to be logical. Low cadence and high force/torque is definitely easier on the heart and lungs compared to high cadence and low force/torque. I think your legs may start to hurt before your heart rate goes too high but of course it'll depend on what cadence you decide to go for. You'll need to avoid standing up on the pedals of course as that'll get your heart racing.
Another possibility or something worth experimenting with may be to lower your seat enough so that your legs hurt more which'll perhaps help prevent your HR going into the red. I'd make a chart with watts, cadence and HR which might help you to find the optimum values to work with.

There's a piece in Cycling Weekly this week on cadence and muscle strain etc.. more or less says what you just said Bill.
 

S-Express

Guest
I have also been thinking about cadence, as I know high cadence is a way of transferring effort away from the leg muscles to the cardio vascular system, and this worked well for me in the past. However, it seems that high cadence increases the heart rate, so logically, if I train at lower cadence could I reduce my heart rate and hopefully strengthen my leg muscles?

High cadence means a higher metabolic demand, but fundamentally it is the power you generate at your chosen gear/cadence which is what matters and which influences your HR. Training at a lower cadence is not going to strengthen your leg muscles, as the forces involved in cycling are nowhere near high enough to induce strength improvements.
 

theboxers

TheBoxers on Cycle Sim sw
Geoff, I believe gearing down to MTB setup allows you to spin without over stressing either legs or heart. Trying to climb a steep hill with slow cadence is just as hard on the heart and lungs when it becomes a grind. Spinning at 85+rpm with low effort will get you up any hill albeit slowly. I know it can look silly spinning at slow speeds, but as you say you have to keep your heart rate under a threshold you've set.

I can only comment after watching my in-law struggle in Tenerife when he ran out of available gearing and had to grind, he was blowing, I had 2 gears left and was far more comfortable spinning.
If you are fairly mechanically apt there is a relatively simple/cheap mod to do this to most road bikes. The 'road link'. It will allow you to put a 40 or even a 42 cassette on the back. The link can be found for about £25. There's a good few videos on youtube about it.
 
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