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Rob H

Eat, Sleep, Climb, Repeat
Also watch this space for Trainerroad and even zwift...maybe... maybe not...maybe :whistle:

I've just joined to, really welcoming group, its Geoff and Bill S who admin the league groups.

Tonight is test night (another Krazy Friday night for me) i will be playing with Bkool, Zwift and TR, ive figured out how non pwer meter owners can use zwift beta, also going to see if it really does run with bkool.
 

Pedro2015

Active Member
Location
Liverpool
Contador has become my favourite Pro, the way he stands and attacks is just incredible to watch! :ohmy:

Mine also he's unreal on the climbs. I just hope he's not doping again though. It's always at the back of my mind when he attacks froome on the mountains
 

Rob H

Eat, Sleep, Climb, Repeat
Completely different subject.. this calibration check, is it worth doing and how....?:addict:
 

Darryn007

Über Member
Location
Belgium
Completely different subject.. this calibration check, is it worth doing and how....?:addict:
Its always worth checking calibration in my opinion, the only problem is that Bkool needs to log in to your PC with their calibration tool, so there is a lot of mail communication needed!
 

gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
Completely different subject.. this calibration check, is it worth doing and how....?:addict:

If you want to compare the bkool power with your PM, I would start with a completely flat course (eliminates weight as a factor) and then ride at a fixed speed for a few minutes to compare power output (I use Golden Cheetah but Strava can also be used).

Do this at several different speeds, 10mph, 20mph, 25mph and perhaps 30mph.

Then one final test, find a steep and unrelenting slope (like Crowcombe or Salcombe) and ride up it at around FTP and compare the average power over the actual climb only, as the Bkool will probably struggle to give enough resistance and hence the PM will probably show lower figures. You can then estimate roughly how much gradient the bkool is actually managing to simulate, assuming your PM is good to within a few percentage (should be).

The bkool seems to vary from firmware version to firmware version, and on the pre-release at least, mine is pretty good at moderate powers (below about 200 Watts), but then seems to exaggerate power (or rather under applies resistance) by around 10% now (used to be more like 25%).

There is generally a few percent difference between any power meters, and of course it depends where it is being measured, as it will be higher at the crank than the rear wheel.

Unfortunately Bkool doesn't actually measure power at all, it estimates it from the resistance applied by the electro magnets and the speed you are rotating the flywheel, neither of which are particularly calibrated.

From comments they made when I reported the wide difference, they are relaxed about differences up to about + or - 10%.

I'd love to try these tests on a KICKR and see if the Bkool software and the KICKR resistance unit make use of the calibrated power meter in the KICKR.

Geoff
 

vilbs

Active Member
you can manually create an interval session HERE

Or HERE to create a plan, I think you get interval type rides, but not sure?
EDIT: I just checked, you also get video rides in a plan)


Once submitted 3D stuff is up to how fast they are feeling at Bkool I think!?
None of my GPX files have been converted to 3D yet,. that was about 2 month ago...

Thanks for the response. I created a plan they are all 2d I don't get any videos. But will check tonight as to whether they are interval type. Also >2 months to 3D a route :sad: that's really disappointing.
 

gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
I hope you don't mind me jumping into this forum as I am not a team member. I do however have a Bkool and I hoping that you may be able to answer a few questions. If there is a more appropriate forum let me know but this seems to be the only one on the whole internet! Anyway 2 questions:
1. How do I submit a route for 3Dification? And how long does it take? I imported one of my gps rides into Bkool but I only got the rubbish birds eye view of googlemaps. Keen to know where I go to submit and whether it is instant 3D turnaround of if there's a delay.
2. How do I do training sessions on the Bkool. I have done a few follow the video routes and it's really good fun - basically just try and go fast the whole time! But I wondered if there was more of a traineroad/sufferfest option where it will say "high cadence Z4 for 1 minute" then "rest 30 secs" type thing. I would love to do some concentrated training sessions rather than the just ride/race.

Hope that all makes sense and you are able to help. I have 1 week left of my trial and swithering over whether to keep it or not!

Thanks!

They seem to prioritise video uploads for 3D generation. I've uploaded four videos and they were all done for 3D straight after the video was accepted. The first video, a couple of months ago took about 2-3 weeks to be accepted, but the three I did last weekend were all live, with 3D, within 24 hours of being uploaded.

When I uploaded a batch of GPX files recently (the 12 climbs from the South West) they generated 3D views for only 2 of them, Haytor Vale and Rundlestone. No idea why those two were picked? The others are still 2D only.

So it seems the best way to get a 3D view is to upload a video course.

Cheers,

Geoff
 

Darryn007

Über Member
Location
Belgium
Thanks for the response. I created a plan they are all 2d I don't get any videos. But will check tonight as to whether they are interval type. Also >2 months to 3D a route :sad: that's really disappointing.

Yeah it could maybe depend on the plan you create?
I created a 90km in 3hr plan and had some video rides generated. It could also depend on your own personal fitness criteria, in all honesty I have no idea how they are generated! But the option is available.

As for the 3d generating, yes you are right that is a long time! But in their defense I think they have simply underestimated the popularity and response to their trainer.
In the past I was always a Tacx user for, almost 10 years , and they also had major software problems with videos and all sorts of different things...
I would suggest to maybe just stick it out and it will get better.
If you check the tacx forums there are still the same old threads with the wattage and calibration issues that don't match their garmin cranks or whatever, it will never be solved I think no matter what trainer you use!
 
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kipster

Guru
Location
Hampshire
My week off the bike is complete and I will be back on the turbo tomorrow, the final stage of the Thursday night league and the first stage of the goat league 2 await me. I put my poor performance last week on the 5-2 diet and the fact that in two weeks I lost 5lbs and dropped to 12st 9lbs. I'm now back up to 12st 12lbs and feel a lot happier, healthier and energised.
 
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