Tea?

[DCBassman]

Interesting to note that the roll call for the two wars was around 15 for WW1 and 3 for WW2.
This is a tiny village on Dartmoor, so presumably there were many more residents to answer the call back then.

 

[classic33]

Not far short of triple figures for this area for the First, about half that for the Second.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Not far short of triple figures for this area for the First, about half that for the Second.

In our village in Germany it's the other way around.

 

[classic33]

In our village in Germany it's the other way around.

More into engineering, than mills or agriculture for WWII.

 

[172traindriver]

Good Night

 

[classic33]

Good Night

Sithi

Sweet Dream!!

 

[Andy in Germany]

Hello. Time to get up again...

 

[Andy in Germany]

More into engineering, than mills or agriculture for WWII.

We were an agricultural region even in WW2. A colleague said that when war was declared there were celebrations in Berlin but not here:they knew it would be a disaster from the word go because all their men would have to leave just as the harvest was to be collected.

It's more that the Russian front was a meat grinder, even after the surrender. German troops who didn't vanish in the ruins of Stalingrad or the vast areas of Russia were taken prisoner and stayed prisoners of war long after the surrender. The conditions were such that a good number died after the surrender was long over.

The air raids on German cities took a lot of lives too. Toward the end of the war they were highly effective if not terribly accurate. Our village was between Stuttgart and the industrial Neckar valley to the north, and several airfields, so it was hit a number of times.

In the last few months and weeks as the allies came into Germany: if you were lucky your town would be taken by US or British troops. Where I live it was French but I know of some villages in Bavaria where there were Russian troops. These troops had seen what had happened in their own countries and didn't hold back. Quite a lot of the names on our memorial or WW2 have German place names next to them. An awful lot simply have 'missing'. This is why the 1984 image of Mitterrand and Kohl holding hands at Ypres is so incredible.

Added to this are the people killed by the German secret police. There was more resistance than people think in Germany: concentration camps were built for Germans and Europeans who resisted rather than Jews -who were generally sent to death camps- and there were concentration camps in most towns.

 

[welsh dragon]

Morning folks.

 

[172traindriver]

Good Morning

 

[Bobby Mhor]

Morning all

 

[Bobby Mhor]

We were an agricultural region even in WW2. A colleague said that when war was declared there were celebrations in Berlin but not here:they knew it would be a disaster from the word go because all their men would have to leave just as the harvest was to be collected.

It's more that the Russian front was a meat grinder, even after the surrender. German troops who didn't vanish in the ruins of Stalingrad or the vast areas of Russia were taken prisoner and stayed prisoners of war long after the surrender. The conditions were such that a good number died after the surrender was long over.

The air raids on German cities took a lot of lives too. Toward the end of the war they were highly effective if not terribly accurate. Our village was between Stuttgart and the industrial Neckar valley to the north, and several airfields, so i was hit a number of times.

In the last few months and weeks as the allies came into Germany: if you were lucky your town would be taken by US or British troops. Where I live it was French but I know of some villages in Bavaria where there were Russian troops. These troops had seen what had happened in their own countries and didn't hold back. Quite a lot of the names on our memorial or WW2 have German place names next to them. An awful lot simply have 'missing'. This is why the 1984 image of Mitterrand and Kohl holding hands at Ypres is so incredible.

Added to this are the people killed by the German secret police. There was more resistance than people think in Germany: concentration camps were built for Germans and Europeans who resisted rather than Jews -who were generally sent to death camps- and there were concentration camps in most towns.

The 'winners' got to write the history and the only war criminals were on the losing side (looking at u, Mr H)..
Shameful wasteful toll on all countries involved for what?
the dying days of empire building..
The true story of it is out there but the establishment would prefer you read the Allied sanitised version..
Did it really matter to the working class who ruined our lives? politicians are doing it now without redress.
The one thing that stands out to me was almost 1 million men were wounded in the Battle of the Somme, for what? 7 miles of ground gained and the German lines still stood firm.
Shameful..
This not the place to discuss, I think..

sorry back to normal, folks

 

[Andy in Germany]

The 'winners' got to write the history and the only war criminals were on the losing side (looking at u, Mr H)..
Shameful wasteful toll on all countries involved for what?
the dying days of empire building..
The true story of it is out there but the establishment would prefer you read the Allied sanitised version..
Did it really matter to the working class who ruined our lives? politicians are doing it now without redress.
The one thing that stands out to me was almost 1 million men were wounded in the Battle of the Somme, for what? 7 miles of ground gained and the German lines still stood firm.
Shameful..
This not the place to discuss, I think..

sorry back to normal, folks

I agree on all counts, although I hasten to add, I'm not trying to 'minimise guilt' or anything silly like that. It was more an interested comment on the difference in death toll for the different countries.

A large part of the history of Central Europe for a few centuries before WW2 was of either France and Germany tooling up and going off to give the other a bloody nose. It was like two thugs in a bar.

On the other hand I wish UK remeberance services had moments like this. (notice the shoulder badges on the two soldiers).

 

[classic33]

Hello. Time to get up again...

Not long back, then.

Morning folks.

Sure?

Good Morning

Prove it.

Morning all

It is!!

Morning??
Everyone saying it is

 

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