Storm Eowyn.

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Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
winds have always been gusty overland, so a wind with a mean of 45 (force 8) always had meaning, one would know at that strength some trees would come down. But in the over exaggerating over sensationalising modern media, we need bigger figures, so they now want to predict the maximum gust as it is more alarmist - its just click-bait

I disagree. The gust speed is almost as significant as the mean speed. I don't feel it is click-bait to give us that (and it is the met office doing so, not just media outlets hungry for views).

Same with temperatures, most people with an ounce would now if is 3° above and windy at the same time it will be extra cold, but then comes the extra alarmist wind-chill figure, its going to be -10°c. and now we don't know if the -10 is the real temp or the 'feels like' temperature

I have never seen it given without the "feels like" modifier, so you do know which it is.

Maybe on that some of the more sensationalist outlets may put it in a headline without "feels like", but I tend not to go to those outlets if I can avoid them.
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
Strange looking weekend here. Forecast is 50+mph Friday, Saturday looks quite calm, then picking up again Sunday and Monday.

Yes, ours is very similar.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
But these reports of 70, 80 mph gusts are just sensationalising in the same way as they do when they start giving temperatures in wind chill
Incorrect.

Average wind speed and wind gust are data that mean different things

Similarly temperature and wind chill mean different things

That is, they convey different information. Wind gust isn't just average wind speed multiplied by a sexing-up factor. Wind chill is not just temperature multiplied by a woo factor to make it look good.

If you're not comfortable with their meaning you can just ignore them and look at the wind speed and temperature only.
 

Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
Just started raining heavily in Plymouth now, we're forecast up to 55mph winds tomorrow. We don't tend to get the worst of it here though.

Oddly enough, we went for a walk on Dartmoor on Tuesday and there were still small patches of snow up there. The car said it was 3C outside
 

grldtnr

Über Member
Yet the people who complain the loudest about this usually have cars. Roger Hallam has six vans, campers and Land Rovers, none of the modern low emissions sort. The US climate envoy Co owns a private jet and owns shares in a private jet leasing company. Unsurprisingly no one listens to these muppets.

We're doomed.

The best we can do is for us each do our little bit, grow some food in the garden, store some rainwater, walk or cycle to the shop, buy a bit from the charity shop instead of new from Vietnam, in the hope that someone may follow our example. I doubt it will work, but that's all we can do.

And adopt the Dragon 'clean' skivvies protocols, those old Y fronts of yours must be i
Iron bottomed by now?
 

Badger_Boom

Veteran
Location
York
I'm supposed to on a range in the North West on Saturday. I'm not looking forward to getting there, or to having to aim off into the next county to hit the target.
 

Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
Just started raining heavily in Plymouth now, we're forecast up to 55mph winds tomorrow. We don't tend to get the worst of it here though.

Oddly enough, we went for a walk on Dartmoor on Tuesday and there were still small patches of snow up there. The car said it was 3C outside

Wind has picked up, thunder and lightening now, with hail storm
 

Drago

Legendary Member
And adopt the Dragon 'clean' skivvies protocols, those old Y fronts of yours must be i
Iron bottomed by now?

Little of the original polyester remains. The rest is a matrix of poo, peanuts, bog roll and microscopic life forms as yet unknown to science.
 
winds have always been gusty overland, so a wind with a mean of 45 (force 8) always had meaning, one would know at that strength some trees would come down. But in the over exaggerating over sensationalising modern media, we need bigger figures, so they now want to predict the maximum gust as it is more alarmist - its just click-bait

Same with temperatures, most people with an ounce would now if is 3° above and windy at the same time it will be extra cold, but then comes the extra alarmist wind-chill figure, its going to be -10°c. and now we don't know if the -10 is the real temp or the 'feels like' temperature

They often use the phrase "feels like" when giving the extreme windchill figure not pass it off as the actual temperature. They use the air temperature prediction not the windchill, but it is often good to give the "feels like" temperature too as that is what people, well feel!!! No conspiracy there.
 
Has anyone noticed how these storms now always seem to strike on a Friday and Saturday?

It was ever the case that it would be nice in the week and bad in the weekend. Especially so on Bank holiday weekends!!!

Except when I was into whitewater kayaking. Then we got too many rainy days early in the week then nice weather in the second half which by sunday's trip it would have run off and the river would be too low!!!!
 

straas

Matt
Location
Manchester
winds have always been gusty overland, so a wind with a mean of 45 (force 8) always had meaning, one would know at that strength some trees would come down. But in the over exaggerating over sensationalising modern media, we need bigger figures, so they now want to predict the maximum gust as it is more alarmist - its just click-bait

Same with temperatures, most people with an ounce would now if is 3° above and windy at the same time it will be extra cold, but then comes the extra alarmist wind-chill figure, its going to be -10°c. and now we don't know if the -10 is the real temp or the 'feels like' temperature

Gusts are the important figure when looking at risk of tree fall etc. So it's right that they're quoted.
 
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