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Citius

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Take two theoretical cyclists, both pedalling up a very steep hill at the same cadence. One is pedalling in 50/11 the other 34/32. Who will get there first? Now granted, if there were any cyclists who had the power to get up in 50/11 then they be very unlikely to have any endurance left to continue. In my perfect scenario the cyclist has huge power AND and incredible cardiovascular system.

He will only have huge power because of his incredible CV system. One cannot exist without the other. You are still confusing strength and power.
 

ayceejay

Guru
Location
Rural Quebec
This is me *The Voice of Reason* :training:
Squats could improve cardio vascular efficiency
Squats could also improve core strength
Squats could improve muscular elasticity and their ability to transport oxygen
Squats could improve a persons confidence
Could any of this improve speed and endurance on a bike ?
 

Milkfloat

An Peanut
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Midlands
He will only have huge power because of his incredible CV system. One cannot exist without the other. You are still confusing strength and power.

So you are saying Mo Farah could ride up my steep hill in 50/11? Of course he could not, he does not have the power/strength.
 

uclown2002

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Harrogate
froomes legs.jpg
 

screenman

Squire
This is me *The Voice of Reason* :training:
Squats could improve cardio vascular efficiency
Squats could also improve core strength
Squats could improve muscular elasticity and their ability to transport oxygen
Squats could improve a persons confidence
Could any of this improve speed and endurance on a bike ?


Yes.
 

Citius

Guest
So you are saying Mo Farah could ride up my steep hill in 50/11? Of course he could not, he does not have the power/strength.

Farah is a runner, not a cyclist. Before you do anything else, go away and google the definitions of 'power' and 'strength' or this will go nowhere. Having said that, many pro cyclists have the same build as Farah (google some pics of Michael Rasmussen or the aforementioned Romain Bardet - who placed 3rd on stage 12) and yet they still manage to get up them thar hills. They do that because they have high levels of sustainable power - not strength. Like I said - go and learn the difference.

I'm pretty sure my legs are stronger than Bardet's - so why can't I go up hills as quickly as him?
 

Milkfloat

An Peanut
Location
Midlands
I am fully aware of the difference between power and strength - in fact I am not arguing with you on that. I also fully agree that spending more time in the gym and less on the bike is a bad thing. However what I am trying to say is that my perfect athlete would have the amazing cardiovascular system allowing power, but with strength to turn the impossibly high gear at the same cadence as the athlete who has amazing the same amazing cardio and power (speed strength) but without the strength (raw power) to be able to physically turn the cranks. Obviously everything I have been trying to say is theoretical, you cannot have that perfect combination, it is always a trade off, where in fact speed strength is more important.
 

Citius

Guest
You say you understand the difference between strength and power - but you have just demonstrated that you do not, sorry.
 

ayceejay

Guru
Location
Rural Quebec
I'm pretty sure my legs are stronger than Bardet's - so why can't I go up hills as quickly as him?

This is not a serious question is it?

My friend Jowwy didn't like my comment on a recent thread about TT expressions but look at the determination in his face and you will see an element that is neither physical power nor physical strength but something other. If eating 15 bananas or a silly helmet or squats or a will to do better makes the difference for you then it will make a difference for you.
 

Citius

Guest
I'm pretty sure my legs are stronger than Bardet's - so why can't I go up hills as quickly as him?

This is not a serious question is it?

My friend Jowwy didn't like my comment on a recent thread about TT expressions but look at the determination in his face and you will see an element that is neither physical power nor physical strength but something other. If eating 15 bananas or a silly helmet or squats or a will to do better makes the difference for you then it will make a difference for you.

No, of course it wasn't a serious question. Just to be clear though, I thought this was a thread where discussions were based on actual evidence, not on "well, it works for me" faith-based arguments. I'm sure there are people who think that praying twice a day gets them up hills faster - but the actual evidence for that is going to be scarce...
 
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