Squats

[Citius]

Show me some papers.

I posted this on the other thread. Here's an overview of a few of them here: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=strengthstern

I also posted another link on the previous page. There's loads more.

 

[dan_bo]

I posted this on the other thread. Here's an overview of a few of them here: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=strengthstern

well you stick to that then.

 

[Citius]

well you stick to that then.

So you are trolling then. You asked me to post links to some papers, so I did. Sorry if you didn't like the link. Is Failsworth a real place - or is it there just for irony?

 

[dan_bo]

So you are trolling then. You asked me to post links to some papers, so I did. Sorry if you didn't like the link.

What I'm saying is im normal, i bet you're normal. Try weights.

Thank me later.

 

[screenman]

Did you? Will you?

Came third in the club hill climb champs 20 years ago, does that count.

What type of hills have you improved on?

 

[dan_bo]

Came third in the club hill climb champs 20 years ago, does that count.

What type of hills have you improved on?

Fair point. Most of Saddleworth.

 

[Citius]

Vague anecdote beats science - every time

 

[dan_bo]

Just bloody try weights!

 

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[Milkfloat]

Optimum power comes from pedalling an optimum gear at an optimum cadence. Riding a single speed with an unreasonable gear up a steep hill would simply require a higher amount of power - not a higher amount of strength. I don't think you understand the difference.

This article by Coggan is well worth reading, if you can stay with it:

http://www.aboc.com.au/tips-and-hints/why-we-dont-use-strength-endurance-anymore

Nice article, but irrelevant to the point I am making.

Here is what I wrote 'Broadly yes, but with bikes your have the added complexity of gears. In theory, more power allows a higher gear which allows you to get up the hill faster than someone else at the same cadence but in a lower gear.'

Take two theoretical cyclists, both pedalling up a very steep hill at the same cadence. One is pedalling in 50/11 the other 34/32. Who will get there first? Now granted, if there were any cyclists who had the power to get up in 50/11 then they be very unlikely to have any endurance left to continue. In my perfect scenario the cyclist has huge power AND and incredible cardiovascular system.

 

[dan_bo]

Just bloody try weights! You will turn bigger gears!

 

[screenman]

Just bloody try weights!

I have done often, unfortunately I did not have the same results as you have. I have found that improving my cardiovascular system makes far more improvement for me.

 

[nickyboy]

Hows about thees.

I'm >110kg.

I've been pressing and squatting >110kg more like 160 kg + for the last few weeks and check it out! I'm going faster up hills!
Thats on top of riding for the last 30 years and racing for the last 15.

Reckon.

Now if you dont mind it's friday night I'm trying to get pissed.

I reckon you've been laying off the chips for the last few weeks, that's the real reason

Quality trolling BTW

 

[poynedexter]

the answer lies in the "power" you can sustain. i can do intervals at 400 watts, but i can only sustain 280 watts for an hour. this is the threshold that i need to work on.

if you are tired because you are at 50 miles and not used to it (ie not fit enough) then squats arent going to help. you have to train for your event be that a social club run, sportive or race. most cycling events take place over a long distance and its this endurance you should focus on. if there are hills during your ride the key to getting over them well is arriving as fresh as you can, finding your tempo and recovering quickly. if you go into the red on a hill, its because your lactate is not getting recycled quick enough, your heart is out of control and you cardio system cant keep up with the dream. dont chase others up hills unless its a race. dont burn your matches.

start by riding hills, find a tempo that is hard but you can sustain. ride hills. ride flat. ride easy miles often and hard miles sometimes. rest and eat well.

keep the squats for something different in the winter just to mix it up a bit.

 

[dan_bo]

I have done often, unfortunately I did not have the same results as you have. I have found that improving my cardiovascular system makes far more improvement for me.

Fair play.