Speeding course and room of denial.

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Fastpedaller

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Think I’ll show that last bit to my BILNot that he will take any notice.During the recent floods he wrecked his engine by charging into a flooded section of road It never occurred to him that the water came up to engine level

For many years there have been info clips on TV advising folk to go very slowly through water, but some still think 'fast is better - I'll not get wet if I go fast' or some other weird logic. I was infuriated a few years back when approaching a small flood near a local pub - I slowed to walking pace and an SUV came the other way without slowing, throwing the water everywhere, all over my car and the engine coughed to a halt. He just carried on totally oblivious. Fortunately, after I Waited a couple of minutes (thinking the heat-soak would do it) the engine fired up and I was away.
 

Alex321

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Decades ago as a teenager I was in my usual barbers waiting for my turn. On the chair was this tall, mature guy chatting away. He was talking to the barber about the newly installed speed cameras at Brownhills Roundabout on the edge of Blackburn. It is a busy junction with an uphill going away from the roundabout. But the camera IIRC was ;pointing at the downhill leading to the roundabout. It was apparently the first one put up and the guy told the barber that it is not working right now. Apparently it ran out of film in the first weekend after catching 2000 people!! Apparently so much film was used they had no replacements for a few weeks until more got supplied!!

Now this sounds like a load of BS but after the barber removed the covers off his client and the guy stood up I realised it was probably true. The guy was in a very smartly turned out police uniform with a lot of silver pips on the shoulder. I have no idea what rank but my best guess is that he was quite a high rank so I kind of took it as truth about the lights and l slowed down in the area after that. Not easy for a 17 year old!!

In the early days of speed cameras, it was quite common for them to be out of film. They would still flash, and drivers then had a nervous couple of weeks waiting for the ticket that never came.

Nowadays of course, they are all digital, and that shouldn't happen (occasionally may get comms issues having a similar effect).
 

presta

Guru
One of these days he is going to take one of these blind bends without slowing down to find a broken down tractor blocking the road
Or a lorry on the wrong side of the road overtaking a parked car.
The notion is the (moving) point (eg on a bend) beyond which you can't see. Depending on the curve of the road, it can get closer to you, in which case slow down, or if the road straightens up, you can potentially go a bit quicker. You need to keep the vanishing point at an appropriate distance for your speed.
When I'm walking or cycling in the lee of a blind bend I move out toward the centre of the road so that overtaking traffic can see me earlier.
It's not really a misuse as it's using the two words perfectly correctly, even if it does then having a different meaning from the term from perspective drawing, which is itself a contrived phrase.
It's misleading and confusing because it's a term that's already in common use to mean something entirely different.
The point of the course is to nudge drivers towards better behaviour. If they are arguing, then they are resisting behaving better, and so points and a fine should be the result.
Twenty odd years ago I saw an episode of Horizon (or Equinox) on the subject of education, and in particular, what the research shows about which methods work and which don't.

If a teacher just stands in front of a class full of pupils and recites whatever he's try to teach them, the amount they retain is minimal because people don't come to the class with empty heads waiting to be filled like putting water in a bucket. They found that what works far better is to start by canvassing the pupils to find out what preconceived ideas they have, explaining why they're wrong, then giving them the correct information. If you try to refill a bucket before emptying out the dirty water first you just end up with a bucket of contaminated water, and a load of water all over the floor.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I think the difference here would be that they all know the law, they all know they did wrong, so it isn't a case of education as they're already bloody well knew they were naughty.

That's the difference between knowing something full well, and believing it to be unfair or unjust for no other reason than they've been caught.
 
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DCLane

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If a teacher just stands in front of a class full of pupils and recites whatever he's try to teach them, the amount they retain is minimal because people don't come to the class with empty heads waiting to be filled like putting water in a bucket. They found that what works far better is to start by canvassing the pupils to find out what preconceived ideas they have, explaining why they're wrong, then giving them the correct information. If you try to refill a bucket before emptying out the dirty water first you just end up with a bucket of contaminated water, and a load of water all over the floor.

That's how I start my postgraduate module; work out what they have studied before in the subject - if anything - then work through their pre-conceptions and prior learning.

It's possible to see the lightbulb go on in their brain when they realise "so that's what you marketers have been doing to me ... you evil people". And at that point they start learning. It's akin to emptying the bucket.
 

Profpointy

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That's how I start my postgraduate module; work out what they have studied before in the subject - if anything - then work through their pre-conceptions and prior learning.

It's possible to see the lightbulb go on in their brain when they realise "so that's what you marketers have been doing to me ... you evil people". And at that point they start learning. It's akin to emptying the bucket.

I seem to remember every year of chemistry started with "Last year we taught you 'x', but it really isn't like that. It's really like this..." and a year later, the same thing
 

Drago

Legendary Member
They've all passed driving tests. They already know how they're supposed to behave. They simply choose not to through negligence or selfishness.

Knowledge is not the problem.
 

All uphill

Still rolling along
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Somerset
They've all passed driving tests. They already know how they're supposed to behave. They simply choose not to through negligence or selfishness.

Knowledge is not the problem.

The course led me to the conclusion that I had been a selfish, dangerous and anti- social ar*e, not the cool sporty person I thought I was.

That altered perception was very effective in changing my behaviour
 

PaulSB

Squire
As I posted earlier in the thread I was hoping to be offered a Diversionary Course for a recent speeding offence. I got an FPN, £100 fine and three points.

While I was completing the paperwork I was struck by the thought that a Diversionary Course is a much greater "punishment" than the FPN. The Course takes several hours out of one's day, one has to actively participate and pass.

It took all of 10 minutes to pay my fine and fill out the FPN acceptance. Other than being £100 poorer it has no impact on me whatsoever.

This doesn't make any sense.
 
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Gillstay

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The course led me to the conclusion that I had been a selfish, dangerous and anti- social ar*e, not the cool sporty person I thought I was.

That altered perception was very effective in changing my behaviour

Many would not be mature enough to view it as you do. There was bullshit about ` its just to make the police money !'
The course only cost £88 so those dim wits had obviously not paid for any education for a while.
 
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Gillstay

Gillstay

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As I posted earlier in the thread I was hoping to be offered a Diversionary Course for a recent speeding offence. I got an FPN, £100 fine and three points.

While I was completing the paperwork I was struck by the thought that a Diversionary Course is a much greater "punishment" than the FPN. The Course takes several hours out of one's day, one has to actively participate and pass.

It took all of 10 minutes to pay my fine and fill out the FPN acceptance. Other than being £100 poorer it has no impact on me whatsoever.

This doesn't make any sense.

I think its after rehabilitation and altering behaviour rather than punishment as several have said. ^_^
 

Tail End Charlie

Well, write it down boy ......
As I posted earlier in the thread I was hoping to be offered a Diversionary Course for a recent speeding offence. I got an FPN, £100 fine and three points.

While I was completing the paperwork I was struck by the thought that a Diversionary Course is a much greater "punishment" than the FPN. The Course takes several hours out of one's day, one has to actively participate and pass.

It took all of 10 minutes to pay my fine and fill out the FPN acceptance. Other than being £100 poorer it has no impact on me whatsoever.

This doesn't make any sense.

My wife had an awareness course to do during Covid. It was done online via Teams or something. It felt wrong to me that someone could be sitting in the comfort of their lounge doing a course, but I understand the reasons at the time and have no ideas as to how else it could have been done.
 
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