Speeding course and room of denial.

[icowden]

As an interesting (or not) side note, I find the thing that has most reduced my tendency to drive fast (apart from becoming older, wiser and more frugal due to petrol/diesel costs) is moving from ICE to EV. Most of the time I let the car set the speed. I'll have an occasional "spike" if I pull out of a side road and get up to speed a bit quick by accident, but the digital speedometer and ease of letting the car worry about speed limits is far more relaxing and improves range.

There are occasions where the car AI is a bit thick. There are at least two places where other ID4 owners have reported the ID regularly trying to accelerate to 100mph as it's convinced that that is the legal limit - so it's not perfect. Similarly on the A3 it can be a bit over-sensitive to lower speed side roads and suddenly decide that I should be going at 20 or 30mph instead of 50mph. Other brands are far better in this regard.

 

[rogerzilla]

Isn't the speed limit on 'non motorway' dual carriageways 60mph.

It's amazing how many people think that, but no, not for cars. It was 70mph when I passed my test in 1986 and it is now!

 

[Drago]

No, It's 70mph on a dual carriage way. When I passed my test there used to be a distinction between urban and non-urban dual carriageways, but I think that's gone now, with urban dual carriageways just being signed to tell you the speed limit.

It's 60 for vans.

 

[DCLane]

It's amazing how many people think that, but no, not for cars. It was 70mph when I passed my test in 1986 and it is now!

Only if there's a central reservation. If there isn't a central reservation the speed limit is still 60mph.

Don't ask how SWMBO knows this

 

[presta]

Saccadic vision is why we constantly scan and not just when manoeuvring like most folk do.

Saccadic dysmetria is why I haven't resumed driving since I've no longer been able to cycle.

The course givers were quite up front, get awkward argumentative or disruptive, you'll be off the course immediately and given the points.

The people who learn are the ones who argue until they understand, those who just accept what they're told without question don't learn much other than how to repeat it parrot-fashion.

I wonder if it is counter productive having the the ten % over the limit as the difference of hitting a cyclist say at 34 instead of 30 is huge.

About 30-40%

https://www.itf-oecd.org/sites/default/files/docs/speed-crash-risk.pdf

As it was registered and taxed as a van, and not a "car derived van" on the V5, it would, on the face of it, be subject to van speed limits.

When was the concept of a 'car-derived van' introduced, we put windows in our Mini van in the 1970s to circumvent the 40mph van limit?

 

[Gillstay]

Do you really believe this? If so I'm astonished to read it. In June I was hit by a tractor when I was travelling at 32/33 and accelerating. It's a short downhill I know very well. The tractor driver attempted an overtake into oncoming traffic. The last thing I recall is his rear wheel level with my shoulder.

I was hospitalised for 5 days, three broken fingers, 6 broken ribs, smashed up right knee, tendon and ligament damage to left shoulder. I'm still in recovery. Bike literally crushed. Helmet smashed. Kit ripped to shreds. Wahoo shattered.

25, 30, 35 would have made no difference to the fact I'm lucky to be alive.

Yes, I believe that and sorry to hear of your injury. A lot would change if the cyclist was stationary, going with or going against the traffic.

I would also think another 10mph added on to the speed the tractor hit you would have been much worse. I hope you get well soon.

 

[SuffolkBlue]

It's amazing how many people think that, but no, not for cars. It was 70mph when I passed my test in 1986 and it is now!

My company used to send us on defensive/advanced driving tuition every 2 years. Usually 2 or 3 mixed "students" from different companies per instructor. A consistent factor was students who were adamant that the national speed limit for a car on a single carriageway was 40mph.

 

[SuffolkBlue]

Only if there's a central reservation. If there isn't a central reservation the speed limit is still 60mph.

Don't ask how SWMBO knows this

A multiple lane road (i.e. more than 2 lanes) without central reservation is classed as a single carriageway.

 

[rogerzilla]

Conversely, a road with one lane in each direction but a central reservation IS a dual carriageway and, however inadvisable it is, the NSL there is 70, not 60.

A449
https://maps.app.goo.gl/91rs9T1KHqwXx5xA8?g_st=ac

 

[CXRAndy]

Just had to do a driver awareness course as been caught speeding. Amazed at the attitudes in the room.

Massive denial that they had done anything wrong and lots of reasons why they should not have to attend. Some quite childish.

Undercurrent of hatred for everyone else not in a car, such as pedestrians, horse riders, cyclists and motorcyclists.

Many will be carrying on and getting points soon I am sure. Determined to avoid any learning.

I thought it was a good course well run and much better than getting points.

Are others getting the same experience ?

I did one a year or two back. Overall fair, if a bit patronising. The ignorance of a lot of drivers to general road knowledge was eye opening. Very few knew the safety gap rule for following another vehicle or even the little rhyme.
Lack of signage knowledge for limits that don't explictly say a number was laughable.

 

[CXRAndy]

It's 60 for vans.

Of a certain weight category

 

[rogerzilla]

Of a certain weight category

Oi! Leave the fatties out of it!

 

[Brandane]

Only if there's a central reservation. If there isn't a central reservation the speed limit is still 60mph.

Don't ask how SWMBO knows this

If it doesn't have a central reservation, or some type of physical barrier separating the opposing directions of travel, then it is NOT a dual carriageway. I often hear people getting confused about this. Two lanes heading in one direction doesn't make it a dual carriageway. It needs some kind of physical separation from opposing traffic.

 

[raleighnut]

No, It's 70mph on a dual carriage way. When I passed my test there used to be a distinction between urban and non-urban dual carriageways, but I think that's gone now, with urban dual carriageways just being signed to tell you the speed limit.

Ah my knowledge comes from the early 80's when I rode motorbikes.

 

[Dogtrousers]

My favourite "dual carriageway" is this little lane - or pair of little lanes actually. It's got two carriageways, one in each direction, and a load of greenery between them so it's a dual carriageway. But it's also a (pair of) small lanes. It's about 800m/half a mile long

Quite why it exists like that I don't know.