Skiing vs cycling

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2854362, member: 45"]Certainly not deforming.

Now, we were talking about the effectiveness of helmets and comparative levels of risk. It's not personal, but I'm trying to understand why you appear to be fixated on a low-benefit risk reduction aid while at the same time you say that you increase the risk to yourself far more significantly when you're out on your motorbike.

I don't get it.[/quote]

And so I refer you back to this post of mine up the page

http://www.cyclechat.net/threads/skiing-vs-cycling.146520/post-2854055

In regard to the rest of this post, I mitigate against injury on the motorbike by always wearing the best protective gear I can get my hands on when I take it out (as a last line of defence in the event that circumstances beyond my control prevail).
Also by undertaking advanced (Police rider and ROSPA instructor) training to read the road, by also acquiring grandfather experience through 3 decades of riding motorbikes on the roads since I passed my test, by also improving my bike handling skills by accumulating some track time, and lastly by riding to the conditions as they present (oh and very lastly by never mixing drink and motorcycling). I certainly don't ride a motorbike because I like the thrill of danger... every aspect of it is risk assessed on the experiences accumulated, and I'm happy to wuss out if I feel they are too great, because I appreciate that with all of this, I am still in a very high risk group and do not want to add my name to the statistics.
You have yourself talked about going and buying a scooter/commuter/learner bike over the last few months. How would you approach this...would it be with the cavalier approach you have with cycling, or would you take it a bit more seriously and kit up properly ?

Last but not least, if you feel that you might only bother with head protection on your bicycle if it were of 'motorbike helmet standard' why don't you go and get one ? If a company like Bell can make a biker lid which well exceeds the ping pong ball tests, then is it beyond the pale that they cannot achieve something similar with a cycle lid ?

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2854548, member: 45"]You've missed my point. Which is...

1) bike helmets offer very little protection to someone undertaking a low-risk activity.

2) "giving it beans" is a term you have used when describing your motorbiking style. Aside from this contradicting the picture of a responsible biker which you try to portray above, "giving it beans" on a bike capable of 170mph puts you at much greater risk than riding a bicycle unhelmeted. But rather than dealing with the greatest risk, which would be very easy, you're fixated on the relatively negligible.

I still don't get it.[/quote]

Ah....you are labouring under the illusion that I ride my bike at 170mph down the high st on any given saturday afternoon
It is entirely possible give a bike 'some beans' and still remain fully in control, whilst staying within the posted limits, and not endangering yourself or anyone else.
If you had any experience of riding performance machines, you would not be penning in the style of a Daily Wail columnist

 

[ufkacbln]

And so I refer you back to this post of mine up the page

http://www.cyclechat.net/threads/skiing-vs-cycling.146520/post-2854055

In regard to the rest of this post, I mitigate against injury on the motorbike by always wearing the best protective gear I can get my hands on when I take it out (as a last line of defence in the event that circumstances beyond my control prevail).
Also by undertaking advanced (Police rider and ROSPA instructor) training to read the road, by also acquiring grandfather experience through 3 decades of riding motorbikes on the roads since I passed my test, by also improving my bike handling skills by accumulating some track time, and lastly by riding to the conditions as they present (oh and very lastly by never mixing drink and motorcycling). I certainly don't ride a motorbike because I like the thrill of danger... every aspect of it is risk assessed on the experiences accumulated, and I'm happy to wuss out if I feel they are too great, because I appreciate that with all of this, I am still in a very high risk group and do not want to add my name to the statistics.
You have yourself talked about going and buying a scooter/commuter/learner bike over the last few months. How would you approach this...would it be with the cavalier approach you have with cycling, or would you take it a bit more seriously and kit up properly ?

Last but not least, if you feel that you might only bother with head protection on your bicycle if it were of 'motorbike helmet standard' why don't you go and get one ? If a company like Bell can make a biker lid which well exceeds the ping pong ball tests, then is it beyond the pale that they cannot achieve something similar with a cycle lid ?

Yet you also claim that there are occasions when you don't feel a helmet necessary... and then claimed you wore a Thudguard - then you didn't and now I suspect that when you avoid answering this post you will claim your statement that you ride without a helmet was also not what you really said........ you really need to be more consistent if you are going to make these claims.

 

[Linford]

Yet you also claim that there are occasions when you don't feel a helmet necessary... and then claimed you wore a Thudguard - then you didn't and now I suspect that when you avoid answering this post you will claim your statement that you ride without a helmet was also not what you really said........ you really need to be more consistent if you are going to make these claims.

Given that you quote them so often, I felt you would have some extensive experience of their products...even more so that you would know that they are designed to fit a 2 year old child's head at most. I posted what was, and is still clearly is a 'tongue in cheek' retort, and you foolishly took it literally for the basis of this post (even though you superficially appear to be something of an expert on the product) - so you are under no illusion..I am a bit older than 2 so it would be a physical impossibility that you, I or any other poster here would be able to wear one.

Keyfacts
Size
This stretchy, comfortable design is suitable for the ages between 7 months to just over 2 years, depending on the size of the child's head, stretching from 40 to 50 centimetres or 16 to 20 inches in circumference. It is recommended to take a measurement of your child's head first to confirm the compatibility of the Thudguard sizing.
http://www.thudguard.com/product-info

How fast did I say I traveled when parking the motorbike up, how fast did I say I cycle when hill climbing without the lid ? - clue (max 4mph or walking pace)
Do I put it on for a descent....too flipping right...even though my last one was clipped to about 12mph because of moss on the wet road.

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2854576, member: 45"]No, I'm not.

You are never fully in control of a motorcycle. I thought you'd know that.[/quote]

In the way that you are never fully in control of walking, cycling, or driving ?....or are you just relying on your own experiences to make this assertion ?

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2854714, member: 45"]I'm relying on a fact.[/quote]

Given that you have never met me, let alone ridden with me, it is safe to say that is a throwaway comment !

 

[srw]

All good stuff, but I'm not a "busload", just a pretty bad skier who has been on the slopes for a total of (very roughly) 200 days since the age of ten. I needed medical attention once, and that was because I was being a bit of a t*t. I was off for a day with a foot injury. Given the enjoyment I have had, that's a blooming small price to pay. I may get killed in March but I'm not cowering in fear.

Whereas I've been on a bike for very roughly 200 days in the last 5 years, frequently in the company of others. I've never needed medical attention, and only one person I've been with has required medical attention. He was back on the bike within a few days.

 

[srw]

Is this the same srw who not so long ago castigated me for saying that, despite never having tried it, Glyndebourne held no appeal for me? As I recall, amongst the reasons I gave for the lack of appeal were the perceived class-selective nature and the dress code....

But I agree with you about skiing.

Touché. If I were consistent in everything I did, life would be much less interesting.

 

[srw]

I wonder.... numbers for skiers are about right, in my experience. But in my observation at the time over Xmas (and reflection back over many years would broadly confirm) all the injuries in our hotel were (how can i put this....) ladies not in the full flush of youth and not generally sporting types.

Now, take a mixed bag coach load of cyclists beginner to experienced to a welsh trail centre for a week and have them ride several hours each day for a week........are you sure your trainload estimate is valid?

You're missing my point. The statistics are being mis-quoted by ski PR companies to allege that "cycling" is more dangerous than "skiing". But "cycling" isn't a coach-load of Joe Bloggses off the street being taken to a Welsh trail centre to throw themselves off hills, it's Joe Bloggs getting his bike out of the garage to pop down to Tesco.

 

[ufkacbln]

Given that you quote them so often, I felt you would have some extensive experience of their products...even more so that you would know that they are designed to fit a 2 year old child's head at most. I posted what was, and is still clearly is a 'tongue in cheek' retort, and you foolishly took it literally for the basis of this post (even though you superficially appear to be something of an expert on the product) - so you are under no illusion..I am a bit older than 2 so it would be a physical impossibility that you, I or any other poster here would be able to wear one.

You stated that you were wearing a Thudguard, whether or not you now claim it as "tongue in cheek"...... your usual tactic to retract a statement when you have been shown to have posted something stupid

I had a choice, either take your claim at face value, or another sad and desperate attempt to avoid giving a simple answer to a simple question. I decided to take your post at face value.... and gave an equally "tongue in cheek reply" the fact that you foolishly took it literally for the basis of this post is not really my problem

How fast did I say I traveled when parking the motorbike up, how fast did I say I cycle when hill climbing without the lid ? - clue (max 4mph or walking pace)
Do I put it on for a descent....too flipping right...even though my last one was clipped to about 12mph because of moss on the wet road.

Not what was asked - as you find difficulty giving simple answer to the question asked I will make it even simpler for you and ask for one of three replies.

Are there times when you on a motorcycle or cycle and feel that you do not need to wear a helmet.?

Simple answer
Yes
No
I am going to avoid answering this question[/quote]

 

[Linford]

You stated that you were wearing a Thudguard, whether or not you now claim it as "tongue in cheek"...... your usual tactic to retract a statement when you have been shown to have posted something stupid

I had a choice, either take your claim at face value, or another sad and desperate attempt to avoid giving a simple answer to a simple question. I decided to take your post at face value.... and gave an equally "tongue in cheek reply" the fact that you foolishly took it literally for the basis of this post is not really my problem


Not what was asked - as you find difficulty giving simple answer to the question asked I will make it even simpler for you and ask for one of three replies.

Are there times when you on a motorcycle or cycle and feel that you do not need to wear a helmet.?

Simple answer
Yes
No
I am going to avoid answering this question

Jeez man....you really do need a reality check. You have been banging on for years about the virtues of the Thudguard and why aren't people wearing them.....you haven't even bothered to check out their website to establish that or who these devices are designed to fit. If you had done this, you would have acknowledged immediately an adult attempting to wear one on their head is a physical impossibility and dismissed my tongue in cheek comment as just that....you aren't stupid ( i can't believe I just said that after the last couple of posts), but I am questioning why you have such aversion to common sense.....ah, your opinion on cycle helmets and also your ridiculous idea of horse nappies should have given me fair warning.

For the record, unless you are referring to a child under the age of 2, the merits of a Thudguard are irrelevant, so give it up!

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2854838, member: 45"]No rider can ever be fully in control of their motorcycle.[/quote]

You need to do better than that. Don't judge everybody's ability by your own poor standards...you took a motorbike test, failed, and then gave up because it was beyond you to ride to a given standard. I think you ought to try sticking to car driving if you feel this is truly the case. They are far more forgiving for those less able.

 

[Linford]

Which ironically, is about the only time the helmet will do you any 'good'.

Have you ready any of this thread?

Need a source for that mister

 

[theclaud]

I've changed my mind about this thread, I think it should go on forever, but someone clever should invent a response-bot that gently counters anything Linf says but manages to sound interested. Eventually even Mr Paul and Cunobelin will get bored and Smeglington will run out of pity, Linf will be left winding himself up in a hell of his own making, and other threads might stay interesting.

 

[Linford]

I've changed my mind about this thread, I think it should go on forever, but someone clever should invent a response-bot that gently counters anything Linf says but manages to sound interested. Eventually even Mr Paul and Cunobelin will get bored and Smeglington will run out of pity, Linf will be left winding himself up in a hell of his own making, and other threads might stay interesting.

I've got a better idea...how about you actually add something of value to the debate instead of posting on this thread specifically to troll me ?