Skiing vs cycling

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Wobblers

Euthermic
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Ah, you aren't looking for any numbers now I've provided ones which blow your 'cycling and walking are no more risky than each other' assertion totally out of the water...and with numbers sourced from the mecca of cycling no less :whistle:

Your figures show that cycling and pedestrian casualties are very similar. That is completely opposite to what you are attempting to claim.
 

Wobblers

Euthermic
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Unbelievably petty behaviour in here. I actually quite like this forum but this s*** puts me off quite a lot. Can't any of you agree to disagree without the pathetic playground antics? Kinda sad really.

Wasn't it you that came up with this:
I think if kids can get by wearing a helmet without whinging like little bitches about it, then grown ups should be able to. You are setting an example after all. Cyclists need to just get over it already, moany c****.

Looks unbelievably petty to me. But what's your problem, after all, it's just "words on the internet" which I believe is your standard excuse for when you're being offensive.

If it's good enough for you, surely it's good enough for the rest of us?
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
Amazing how victim blaming seems to trickle down through the layers of mobility! That's a very convoluted piece of reasoning to arrive at your conclusion. Do you have anything of any substance to back up your claim that it is 'by and large, careless pedestrians that come a cropper'?

DoT "Reported road casualties Great Britain 2011"

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For accidents where a pedestrain was killed or injured Pedestrian failed to look properly was reported in 59% of incidents and Pedestrain careless, reckless or in a hurry was reported in 25% of indicents

Data table from which summary derived@
Table RAS50004 page 79 of document
 

swansonj

Guru
I have never been skiing - downhill skiing has never appealed (the risk has always seemed high, the smug middle-classness of the pursuit repellent and the leisure-wear horrific. And frankly if I'm going on holiday in winter I want something more interesting to look at than an industrialised mountainside.)
Is this the same srw who not so long ago castigated me for saying that, despite never having tried it, Glyndebourne held no appeal for me? As I recall, amongst the reasons I gave for the lack of appeal were the perceived class-selective nature and the dress code....^_^

But I agree with you about skiing.
 

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
@PK99 Interesting stats there.

I wonder how the stats would look if the compiler looked at the incidents from a view point of whether the vehicle was being driven by a driver that had the ability to anticipate possible pedestrian hazards?

I would hazard a guess that 100% of the collisions could be avoided if drivers thought more about possible hazards, rather than how they can reduce their journey time?

shoot happens. Peds do step out 'from nowhere', and IMO all drivers should anticipate this.
 
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PK99

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If you take a coachload of people skiing for a week, you can expect one of them to be seriously enough injured on the slopes to require medical attention. It would need a trainload of cyclists.

I wonder.... numbers for skiers are about right, in my experience. But in my observation at the time over Xmas (and reflection back over many years would broadly confirm) all the injuries in our hotel were (how can i put this....) ladies not in the full flush of youth and not generally sporting types.

Now, take a mixed bag coach load of cyclists beginner to experienced to a welsh trail centre for a week and have them ride several hours each day for a week........are you sure your trainload estimate is valid?
 
Page 13 (summary section)
For accidents where a pedestrain was killed or injured Pedestrian failed to look properly was reported in 59% of incidents and Pedestrain careless, reckless or in a hurry was reported in 25% of indicents

Data table from which summary derived@
Table RAS50004 page 79 of document[/quote]

Interesting document (there are later versions) which puts the "alcohol impairment" at 11%, far short of the claimed universal 31% quoted above.
There is also the modal spilt where Alcohol impairment was broken down by mode:
(2011)
Cyclists 2%
Motorcyclists 2%
Car 3%
LGV 2%

Which suggests that Motorcycling has an equal alcohol issue to cycling and driving a greater one!

The other point about the chosen "failed to look properly and "in a hurry" is whether it sis a wider issue than pedestrians.

2011 quotes Pedestrians failing to look as 45%, and for all accidents at 40% making it a universal rather than pedestrian issue
 

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
For balance, I am a cyclist and skier.

I love both sports.

In both there is an inherent risk due to them being 'moving' activities. The only risk I pose to other skiers is if I hit them whilst out of control - and I go out of my way to ensure this never happens. I ski in a manner where I am fully aware of my surroundings and always shoulder check for any direction/speed change. I was taught to look uphill to see if I was going to be on a converging course with other skiers.

As for the middle-class Hooray-Henry tag - I am neither - I am a man from a relatively poor background that skis for the adventure of it. I like the physical aspect of skiing, being out in the mountains, developing my technique and ability. Yes, there is the Apres-Ski element, but as none of my friends or family have the slightest interest in skiing (much like the majority on here by the looks of it), I normally go alone on holiday, and apart from the odd beer on a night I don't get hammered - besides I have saved hard for a holiday to do a sporting activity I love, so why waste time hungover in bed when I can be carving the first tracks in the morning before it gets crowded?

Cold.....One myth that needs to be busted. Skiing is a much harder activity to do physically than people imagine. One of the products of hard exercise is body heat. I have NEVER been cold skiing.

True about cost - it is expensive, but I don't smoke, don't drink much, don't drive the car much, so find it quite easy to save up to go to the Alps most years. I also go to the same resort and same B&B, I know the people, I get a good rate for the room and the food etc isn't too expensive anyway.

I know the ski area very well, so there's no getting lost and crashing because 'I didn't know the run' - I speak fluent German, so there's no barrier to my integration in the resort - I just waltz around totally at home with everything.

Oh, and I dont wear a helmet when skiing either - I usually wear one of these:

http://www.original-lizard.com/tentacle.htm
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Oh, and I dont wear a helmet when skiing either - I usually wear one of these:

http://www.original-lizard.com/tentacle.htm

I should rethink the helmet wearing if I were you :thumbsup:
 

Linford

Guest
Nice attempt to avoid the question, but it still works for me.

Now I know that you will waste everyone's time by avoiding again, but lets at least try to get a simple answer form you.

Why do you feel a Thudguard is adequate in this case when you could have the additional protection of a proper motorcycle helmet?

My comment was tongue in cheek.. can you tell us why you like the thudguard so much and can you show us a picture with you sporting yours ? (do you have shares in the company ?)
 

Linford

Guest
It would appear that I did you the mis-service of assuming you had some intelligence. Read what you wrote above. Can you spot the glaring mistake? Hint: air does not absorb energy in impact. It takes energy to bend metal. What is it that deforms plastically in a crumple zone?

Hint - Without the spaces filled with 'Air', you wouldn't have a crumple zone, you would have a solid lump of metal. What happens to the energy in the crumple zone when it is deforming ?
 
My comment was tongue in cheek.. can you tell us why you like the thudguard so much and can you show us a picture with you sporting yours ? (do you have shares in the company ?)

That is your claim, in reality it is simply a method for you to avoid answering a question directly

Care to answer the question?

Let's try again?
 
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