Risk Of 'Snake Pass' (A57) Closing Permanantly!

[I like Skol]

'IF' it does get closed to vehicles, which I doubt, I am 100% certain that a through route for pedestrians, horses and cyclists will be maintained, even if this involves a diversion of the route around the affected sections.

 

[fossyant]

Hollingworth is appalling. At the least they should close it for through freight and make the HGVs go round on the m62.

The Swiss would have tunneled under decades ago

TBH, the traffic from the end of the M67 at Hattersley is a nightmare. I usually avoid cycling round there these days - if coming from Broadbottom, I'll shoot through the back roads.

 

[C R]

Hollingworth is appalling. At the least they should close it for through freight and make the HGVs go round on the m62.

The Swiss would have tunneled under decades ago

We used to live in one of the streets off the main road on the left hand side as you go towards Woodhead. Getting out into the main road in the mornings to go to Manchester was "interesting".

 

[Dogtrousers]

Reading between the lines the "we might have to close it permanently" is Derbyshire CC rattling their begging bowl for more road maintenance money.

Give us a landslip fund or the Snake gets it.

 

[I like Skol]

Hollingworth is appalling. At the least they should close it for through freight and make the HGVs go round on the m62.

The Swiss would have tunneled under decades ago

Blame appalling planning decisions by successive governments over several decades for that. Who in their right minds would build and steadily grow a motorway network feeding disgorging out of Manchester and the west into a small set of villages at the edge of the peak district with limited onward road capacity?

TBH, the traffic from the end of the M67 at Hattersley is a nightmare. I usually avoid cycling round there these days - if coming from Broadbottom, I'll shoot through the back roads.

I find the opposite. The back roads are the danger zones with impatient and inconsiderate drivers racing through the rat-run cut-throughs. The large roundabout at the Hattersley end of the M67 is quite easy to negotiate as the flow feeding off the motorway is crawling so you don't normally have to worry about the usual sliproad risk of vehicles exiting at ludicrous speeds without looking for cyclists.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Blame appalling planning decisions by successive governments over several decades for that. Who in their right minds would build and steadily grow a motorway network feeding disgorging out of Manchester and the west into a small set of villages at the edge of the peak district with limited onward road capacity?

It's a north south thing. Witness the incredible expense to put hs2 under the Chilterns.

 

[wiggydiggy]

Blame appalling planning decisions by successive governments over several decades for that. Who in their right minds would build and steadily grow a motorway network feeding disgorging out of Manchester and the west into a small set of villages at the edge of the peak district with limited onward road capacity?

I find the opposite. The back roads are the danger zones with impatient and inconsiderate drivers racing through the rat-run cut-throughs. The large roundabout at the Hattersley end of the M67 is quite easy to negotiate as the flow feeding off the motorway is crawling so you don't normally have to worry about the usual sliproad risk of vehicles exiting at ludicrous speeds without looking for cyclists.

Story of the unbuilt M67 if you're interested: https://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/m67_manchester_to_sheffield_motorway/

 

[dan_bo]

TBH, the traffic from the end of the M67 at Hattersley is a nightmare. I usually avoid cycling round there these days - if coming from Broadbottom, I'll shoot through the back roads.

I feel sorry for the poor buggers that live there

 

[nickyboy]

According to the local paper, the Snake carries about 30,000 vehicles per week. So closing it permanently would put a lot of pressure on the Woodhead Pass.
A fully engineered solution is £100m so that's never going to happen. I suspect it will not close and there will continue to be a patch solution unless and until a catastrophic landslip occurs.
We've had temp traffic lights on the landslip section for years now. I think that's the future as the Snake further degrades with increasing winter rainfalls

 

[nickyboy]

Hollingworth is appalling. At the least they should close it for through freight and make the HGVs go round on the m62.

The Swiss would have tunneled under decades ago

There isn't much freight over the Woodhead (ie via Hollingworth). The vast majority goes M62. I suspect it's just local stuff in the main.

The Hollingworth area is snarled up due to the traffic lights before you get to the M67. This is potentially alleviated with the bypass for Snake- bound traffic but don't hold your breath

Tunneling through a National Park?

 

[fossyant]

View: https://x.com/Derbyshirecc/status/1843954472642646346


Closed this month for repairs. Fill your boots from the Glossop side.

 

[Drago]

Witness the incredible expense to put hs2 under the Chilterns.

That was largely unwanted by those down here in the first place!

 

[dan_bo]

There isn't much freight over the Woodhead (ie via Hollingworth). The vast majority goes M62. I suspect it's just local stuff in the main.

The Hollingworth area is snarled up due to the traffic lights before you get to the M67. This is potentially alleviated with the bypass for Snake- bound traffic but don't hold your breath

Tunneling through a National Park?

Aren't there already rail tunnels under there?
Yes but they're a bit buggered in the main

 

[Boopop]

That was largely unwanted by those down here in the first place!

Rural NIMBYs perhaps, but I doubt city dwellers have been against it. Rural NIMBYs drove the cost up too. I live in the south and visit relatives in the north, I want it. I don't drive, by choice. Many people don't even have a choice in whether to drive.

 

[Drago]

Not just rural NIMBYs.

Keeping politics aside, the arguments for it are specious at best. If it runs at full capacity every single day for 120 years it will have only just offset the emissions created during construction.

Any argument in favour, and they themselves are questionable, pales into insignificance when held against the environmental damage being wrought at a time when the nation has legally binding emissions/climate targets.

Not wanting the planet borked to make life a little more convenient for a minority isn't NIMBYism.

I don't own a car and have relatives a lot further North than you and don't want it. It's not in my back yard and I don't want it. Dismissing objections as NIMBYism is massively misrepresenting the majority of those folk that are against it.